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Thursday, January 5th 2012, 11:52am

Profiling a modeler (here AxeFx II)

It's NOT that you simply select your favorite AxeFx patch connect the KPA and profile the whole thing.
The profiling captures the amp/eq/cab/mic stuff only - not any of the effects!

There are some more steps involved for example:
-switch off all effects (beside EQ's, amp, cab)
-switch the AxeFx to mono (the KPA can profile in mono only - no way to profile huge stereo double amp AxeFx settings)
-switch of noise gate
-Avoid more than one 'distortion part' (switch off drive blocks, speaker drive, if the preamp is overdriven avoid that the power amp is overdriven as well)
-Switch off room level in the cab block
...

Note: all these steps may have a huge impact on the AxeFx sound anyway - but the result you get NOW from your AxeFx can be profiled.

Then carefully setup all levels so that both the AxeFx and the KPA do not clip. (the KPA shows a warning in case this happens).

--profiling--

After this can the results be compared - in most cases you still hear a difference.
Here we come to 'refining'.
We can play some cords on the guitar and the KPA adjusts something (whatever) to match the sounds closer.
In addition are there some amp parameters to play with to match them closer 'by ear'.

After all this we have our new KPA profile from a part of an AxeFx preset.

The next step would be to try to recreate the other parts of the AxeFx.
In case the KPA has similar effects (drive, chorus, delay, reverb) then we get good results.
But note: The AxeFx has WAY more effects, effect types and parameters - so in case you need A LOT of effects in your patches - and/or have them NOT all in one simple row - you WILL NOT be able to recreate your AxeFx sound with the KPA.
The same is true (as mentioned above) for true stereo or two amp setups.

If all you want is a simple setup like wah-drive-amp/cab-chorus-delay-reverb - then you may come very close to your sound.

Update:
Done - all my AxeFx presets are profiled ;)

This post has been edited 3 times, last edit by "Armin" (Jan 21st 2012, 12:57pm)


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Thursday, January 5th 2012, 2:27pm

Have you Profiled an Axe-FX11 amp sim yet?

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Thursday, January 5th 2012, 2:47pm

I am currently profiling all the AxeFX II amp demo presets (00-42) .... will take some more days ;)

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Thursday, January 5th 2012, 9:13pm

I am currently profiling all the AxeFX II amp demo presets (00-42) .... will take some more days ;)
Brilliant!!! :)

How much you charging for the set of Axe-FX11 profiles? :D

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Thursday, January 5th 2012, 9:44pm

Nice one Armin. I never thought to do that before I sent my axefx2 back!

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Thursday, January 5th 2012, 10:01pm

sheg

Your EVH profiles are excellent, thanks for sharing them.
Keep using that Palmer you used to Profile, keep the Profiles coming, please. :)

Have you done any recordings with your KPA, besides the recording you did of the amp/cab and KPA into the Atomic?

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Thursday, January 5th 2012, 11:09pm

I am currently profiling all the AxeFX II amp demo presets (00-42) .... will take some more days ;)
Brilliant!!! :)

How much you charging for the set of Axe-FX11 profiles? :D


Half of the price for an AxeFx ;)

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Friday, January 6th 2012, 9:17am

Armin

Thanks for taking the time to make the Axe-FX11 Profiles, but, I don't expect much from them because the Kemper sound/audio/tone/clarity/dynamics/feel/touch/ quality is better than the Axe-FX11...it's clear to hear., it's been confirmed by anyone who owns or who's played both units.

You haven't confirmed it yet because that's not what you do, you remain "neutral", you have to.

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Friday, January 6th 2012, 10:11am

i own the 2 machine at home, the Kemper isn't superior to the Axe II, he's essentially less expensive, easier to set up and give very close results. Then, it's 2 different concept, the Axe is an amp simulator, the Kemper take a "picture" of a particular amp setting and gives you some options to play around.
The Kemper bandwith seems more restricted (lack of sparkle highs), yet, it's not usable for live set (midi bugs...). If you play it on a real guitar cab (and desactivate the speaker simulation) the results are ok, but not fantastic (compared to cheaper solution). The solution to avoid this is to make a profile with just a load box and no guitar cab, then when you use a guitare cab, it's much better and natural sounding. Whatever, I have some doubt if you have to face a real amp on a gig that you will be really "hear-able" due to the sound signature of the Kemper. So... different machines
Today, if i have to take one for a live gig, it's the AXE II. i've been very septical about Axe II, because i didn't hear much difference with my previous ultra (played at home and live). I ordered it just to give it a try and finally, it stays at home. I was more expecting from the Kemper, and on some point, the kemper is a little bit disapointing, but as it's the beginning and many things still have to be tested/added/done, it deserve a chance.
The Kemper is a fantastic tool for home studio, gives exellent results for jazz, blues, pop, rock, hard rock but if you're going in faster stuff you may notice that there's something strange.
There's something wrong in the attack when fast playing soloing, kind of latency, lack of punch, i don't know exactly, but it's not like a real amp. The axe is much better on that point.
Whatever, the Kemper, is a good investment, effects are cool, it sounds very "musical" and until your are not a shred/speed/metal/trash exclusive guy, you will find what you're looking for, and most of all, it's easy.
The Kemper seems to prefer guitars with moderate output level.
PS : i'm a very critical guy, so if you think my post is negative, no it's not... just that my job is to detects what's wrong on product so i use to spend more time on what's negative than positive.

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Friday, January 6th 2012, 10:27am

The Kemper bandwith seems more restricted (lack of sparkle highs)


Not wishing to start an argument, we all have different opinions, but those sparkle highs on the axefx are (in my opinion) one of the faults with it (too accentuated, not at all like a real amp) Has been right since the beginning, and up until recent firmwares there was a recommended eq setting to get rid of them.
It has improved a lot recently but ,again in my opinion, remains.

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