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JEL

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Thursday, March 15th 2012, 2:08am

Hadley - if you don't understand or see the conflict of a FRACTAL ARTIST (you) starting threads about shortcomings of the Kemper (on the Kemper website)....well then, I'm not sure anyone can help you.

As I said - I seriously doubt that a Kemper artist (when that time comes) will be allowed to post a similar thread on the Fractal website about their issues with the Axe Fx (with Cliff's permission). Never going to happen, nor should it here.

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JEL

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Thursday, March 15th 2012, 2:22am

RE: RE: The 'Foundational Sonics of the KPA' thread (officially sanctioned by CK)

Mr. Kemper - Again, I am very impressed with your presence and concern here on the user board - I will attempt to answer your questions below:

Some questions here:

Have you done your own profiles yet?


Yes I have, and two of them have been uploaded to the Kemper Rig Exchange. I did eight more today, and believe I may have found a way to get the sounds I need, thanks to a new user on the board. (Bill Ruppert)

Have you refined them well?

I am still learning how to do this best - I have found that just playing hard for 20 seconds is not the best method for me.

Will you share them with us?

I am happy to share numerous examples, but I don't share my performing patches. The comparison that means the most is a highly distorted signal compared to the Kemper model while profiling, especially if it is direct from a modeler with no cab simulation, or an amp's line output - the Kemper model will always sound more grainy, and a bit less smooth than the reference signal.

Who told you that the KPA is doing simple EQ matching only?

No one said that's all it does, but I understand it is a part of the process, no? I was only saying that I feel the EQ match is very accurate as well as the Cab matching...

Have you used the deep amp parameters yet, such as Definition, Sag, Shape, Bias etc.?

Apparently not enough, as I am still getting the feel for how these parameters play on each other - I plead guilty on not having mastered this one...

CK

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "Radley" (Mar 15th 2012, 2:47am)


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Thursday, March 15th 2012, 3:35am

RE: RE: The 'Foundational Sonics of the KPA' thread (officially sanctioned by CK)


Who told you that the KPA is doing simple EQ matching only?


I've been wondering that myself, but not saying anything :D. I believe this to be true of the cabs (which is fine, and would explain the lack of an Impulse Response Converter tool) but the amp models are a beast unto themselves.

Radley, I'm all for Devil's Advocate opinions that are expressed as a point of practical utility, as opposed to repeatedly damning things with faint praise ("concern troll"). If you don't like your amp, its resale value is surely near 100% - come back in a year and buy it again. We're all assuming that you've personally purchased your KPA (i.e., it wasn't a loaner or a gift) which means you have some skin in the game like the rest of us. If you haven't, then please let us know.

-djh

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Thursday, March 15th 2012, 4:11am

RE: RE: RE: The 'Foundational Sonics of the KPA' thread (officially sanctioned by CK)


Who told you that the KPA is doing simple EQ matching only?


I've been wondering that myself, but not saying anything :D. I believe this to be true of the cabs (which is fine, and would explain the lack of an Impulse Response Converter tool) but the amp models are a beast unto themselves.

Radley, I'm all for Devil's Advocate opinions that are expressed as a point of practical utility, as opposed to repeatedly damning things with faint praise ("concern troll"). If you don't like your amp, its resale value is surely near 100% - come back in a year and buy it again. We're all assuming that you've personally purchased your KPA (i.e., it wasn't a loaner or a gift) which means you have some skin in the game like the rest of us. If you haven't, then please let us know.

-djh

Actually, I have a lot in the game - namely $1800 US Dollars, and I no longer entertain any ideas of returning my unit, thanks to a simple suggestion from my friend and tone giant, Bill Ruppert.

PS: Hopefully Bill will be posting some of his rigs/patches - if so, they will be a great learning example for all of us! :)

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Thursday, March 15th 2012, 6:24am

Guys ....the issues to me are not his comments about Kemper - but the fact this thread was started by a Fractal artist!

I don't have a problem with this part of the equation.

Fractal's entitled to list every famous artist who uses his gear, and so is Kemper....if the artists agree of course.
It doesn't mean its an endorsement, in Hadley's case he paid for both units.

I guess once you get used to Hadley it becomes easier to understand what he's all about.
To put it into percentages I'd say.
15% of what Hadley says is tongue in cheek.
25% is his sense of humour.
40% is his eagerness for tone perfection motivated by being a touring pro musician for so many years.
20% is stirring the pot to create the energy that drives the discussion.

There's nothing wrong with that.

This post has been edited 3 times, last edit by "Guitartone" (Mar 15th 2012, 7:46am)


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Thursday, March 15th 2012, 7:35am

Radley

You currently have 10 threads running at the same time all criticizing the KPA.

Please, quit the "this is meant to be helpful" BS, you're now TROLLING.
Bad post, shouldn't have pressed the "Submit" button so quickly, should have given it more thought...or I could have said it in a more thoughtful way.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Guitartone" (Mar 15th 2012, 7:44am)


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Thursday, March 15th 2012, 11:15am

Hadley - if you don't understand or see the conflict of a FRACTAL ARTIST (you) starting threads about shortcomings of the Kemper (on the Kemper website)....well then, I'm not sure anyone can help you.


JEL, this is ridiculous. please stop pigeonholing people. he has every right to speak about THE GEAR he owns.. as you do. this "west side - east side" stuff with kemper and fractal is by the way even more ridiculous. this is a forum to discuss kpa GEAR, not PEOPLE (and their possible intentions because of their possible history).

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Thursday, March 15th 2012, 12:09pm

Enhance your calm, guys! :D

It's all good. Radley is just voicing his personal views/concearns. It's just his style to do it this way.
S'all good! :)
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Thursday, March 15th 2012, 4:25pm

RE: RE: RE: The 'Foundational Sonics of the KPA' thread (officially sanctioned by CK)

Mr. Kemper - Again, I am very impressed with your presence and concern here on the user board - I will attempt to answer your questions below:

Some questions here:

Have you done your own profiles yet?


Yes I have, and two of them have been uploaded to the Kemper Rig Exchange. I did eight more today, and believe I may have found a way to get the sounds I need, thanks to a new user on the board. (Bill Ruppert)

What is the secret behind that?

Have you refined them well?

I am happy to share numerous examples, but I don't share my performing patches. The comparison that means the most is a highly distorted signal compared to the Kemper model while profiling, especially if it is direct from a modeler with no cab simulation, or an amp's line output - the Kemper model will always sound more grainy, and a bit less smooth than the reference signal.

It has been clearly stated in the manual, and a number of times on this forum, that you should not expect good results from profiling a modeling amp. This is because some modeling amps do not react the same way a tube amp does.
Are you aware of that?
What Firmware version are you on?

Who told you that the KPA is doing simple EQ matching only?

No one said that's all it does, but I understand it is a part of the process, no? I was only saying that I feel the EQ match is very accurate as well as the Cab matching...

Your first post looks a bit different to that ...

Have you used the deep amp parameters yet, such as Definition, Sag, Shape, Bias etc.?

Apparently not enough, as I am still getting the feel for how these parameters play on each other - I plead guilty on not having mastered this one...

Those parameters are pretty easy to use, and mostly independent from each other. It wouldn't take you more than 20 minutes to get what they do.

CK
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Thursday, March 15th 2012, 5:59pm

RE: RE: RE: RE: The 'Foundational Sonics of the KPA' thread (officially sanctioned by CK)

It has been clearly stated in the manual, and a number of times on this forum, that you should not expect good results from profiling a modeling amp. This is because some modeling amps do not react the same way a tube amp does.
Are you aware of that?


Yes, but I am having great results even so. ^^

Have you done your own profiles yet?

Yes I have, and two of them have been uploaded to the Kemper Rig Exchange. I did eight more today, and believe I may have found a way to get the sounds I need, thanks to a suggestion from a new user on the board, Bill Ruppert. He is great at getting sounds.

What is the secret behind that?

I have made profiles of my Neil Diamond show patches (from another modeler) and then 'tweaked' them on the KPA.

What Firmware version are you on?

1.0.6 beta - it is working well on my machine.

CK