Petition: Total cab bypass on monitor out

Guitartone

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Friday, April 13th 2012, 10:08pm

RE: RE: RE: RE: Petition: Total cab bypass on monitor out

Quoted from "viabcroce"

Quoted from "tylerhb"

viabcroce, you are mixing up things here. Were are not talking about the amp influence on the cab profiles themselves but the "cab off" function not working as it should.

Please, leave this thread a petition, not a discussion.

tylerhb, are you a moderator? You're not, AFAIK.

I'm sorry you're taking it bad, but I've joined this forum to discuss things as well as to learn more about the KPA. If your response implies I might be an Axe fanboy trying to stir the pot, you're completely off here. I don't think my post is OT at all, and I'll explain why.

IMO, the reason why "a small part of the cab portion remains in the signal chain" is because there's nothing like a real, separate cab module that can be switched on and off. This is IMO inherent to the KPA design, and I've tried to explain why.
If I'm correct, the petition has no sense.
I can be wrong here, but the way I see it is that, when you switch cab off, the OS subtracts the generic amp model from the whole signal; and that's because these are the only arrays of data the KPA can detect and store.

I don't know (yet) where the technical truth is, but I find surprising that some owner can be not interested in better understanding how this unit works and, TBH, can't understand your attitude here. I don't need to believe the KPA is the best, ultimate, unbeatable unit around in order to love it and wanting to own one.

I really, really, really hope this forum is not destined to become intolerant like the Axe-Fx forum. We're still on time, guys

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This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "Guitartone" (Apr 13th 2012, 11:11pm)

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tylerhb

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Friday, April 13th 2012, 11:21pm

I can only encourage everyone who still owns a normal amp to try for yourself:

1. hook up the monitor out of the KPA with the effect return of your amp
2. in the master section activate "Monitor cab. Off"
3. get a DI profile from the rig exchange that was profiled without any cabinet. For example "TillS JVM 2 MICS 7DI"
4. Play the profile over your amp.
5. while still in the same rig, go to the cabinet section and select any cabinet and see how the sounds changes, while it shouldnt.

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guitarnet70

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Friday, April 13th 2012, 11:49pm

That is due to the power amp section that is splitted together with the cab. Not sure it can be changed though....

"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" Serghei Rachmaninoff

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viabcroce

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Saturday, April 14th 2012, 12:02am

Quoted from "ChrisBeaver"

I didn't fully understand what you were talking about until you said this.. +1 This should be fixed asap

Me too!

If I'm getting you right, Eng. Kemper has stated that, in a future FW, user will have the possibility to switch the cab off for the Monitor Out while keeping it on for the Main Out. But, even when you exclude the cabs, the exclusion is not complete. This is what I'm referring to.
When you play

Guitar -> KPA Monitor Out -> Amp Return -> (real) Cab

you're actually playing

Guitar -> Profiled Pre -> Profiled Poweramp -> (bits of the profiled cab) -> (real) Poweramp -> (real) Cab

Now, I for one believe that "if it sounds good, it's good": I don't strictly care - sonically speaking - if the cab has been completely excluded or not, as long as the results are "musical". So I share what Davide wrote! I also like to know the way things work tho.

PS: just not to mess posts up...

@Guitartone: Yes I do!

@ Chameleon: no problems here dude

Peace,

gianfranco di mare

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