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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 2:50am

Be aware of the digital sonic artifacts (aliasing) in your KPA!

Although the KPA is one of the most awesome and important pieces of guitar gear ever, there is an issue that you might want to know about: I noticed it immediately, particularly on high-gain profiles, when playing high notes on the E string from about high G and above (though I can detect it on a few notes below that as well), there is a low-level, but clearly audible, low-pitched harmonic digital noise that is underneath each note played. I tend to believe that this is aliasing due to the processor not being able to accurately render complex high frequencies. I have heard the same artifact in all the PODS up to and including the X3, but Line 6 eliminated it in their HD series--it can be heard in some other modelers as well, but I never expected to hear it in the KPA.

KPA Aliasing Example

I contacted Kemper about this, and they replied: "We can reproduce this and are investigating. We are aware of an issue regarding stomps, which is planned to be fixed, but this is different".
In a later email to me they replied: "The 'wind howling' noise is something our developers are planning to fix in a future firmware release".
I hope they can fix this, but it seems as though its a bit depth / sample rate / processor limitation type of issue... I hope I'm wrong.
I have included a link to a sound file that I made that demonstrates the noise, and is the same one I sent to Kemper--listen closely, and once you recognize it, you will likely begin to notice it in your machine as well, and it is in all amps, even clean ones to some extent (though you have to listen really closely).

You begin to realize how this compromises purity to all profiles, to some extent--though distorted chords and low to midrange single notes don't reveal it, and fortunately it is inaudible under most normal playing conditions, and would likely get lost in a live or recorded mix--still, for the golden-eared among us, it is troublesome.

Maybe Kemper will pull off a magic update and make it all better--after all, they have already demonstrated their level of genius!

This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "miles" (May 18th 2012, 10:09pm)


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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 8:55am

'till now they have resolved all issues that they've said they will.
Thanks for reporting this.
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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 9:14am

Thats intersting, and also a shock!.
The main reason I always prefer real to sims is for this very reason.
I was able to detect the "fizz" from ALL HW moddelers, Axe, 11R, L6 etc, and they became unusable in my envorinment, but the KPA did not have that on test, hence my purchace. - Might be that your monitering system is a little better perhaps, or cables are finer. - but I certainly dont hear it, and as your the first to really talk of it, then guess im not alone.

Normally I listen out for this always, and felt confident in the KPA.

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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 9:16am

I do not think this problem is only for kemper I heard several real amp that had such default

and also here's a sample I did with axe 2 before I resell


http://users.skynet.be/fb817866/testAXE2.mp3

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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 2:19pm

Thats intersting, and also a shock!.
The main reason I always prefer real to sims is for this very reason.
I was able to detect the "fizz" from ALL HW moddelers, Axe, 11R, L6 etc, and they became unusable in my envorinment, but the KPA did not have that on test, hence my purchace. - Might be that your monitering system is a little better perhaps, or cables are finer. - but I certainly dont hear it, and as your the first to really talk of it, then guess im not alone.

Normally I listen out for this always, and felt confident in the KPA.


Granted, I do listen-in very deep with good monitors and headphones, but I can also detect it when playing casually, at times. You should feel confident with your KPA, I am in love with mine--I'm just sharing an observation, and apparently Kemper has acknowledged what I'm hearing.

The fact is that the noise is not at a high degree, but it is there, and can be heard almost subliminally when playing leads. Though not a glaring noise problem, once they eliminate it, we can have the transparency that we deserve with such an otherwise great device.

Many guitarists may never notice it. It wouldn't be the first time I noticed something like this--I'm kinda geeky that way.

The fizzyness on clean sounds is only noticeable when you push the high-end presence for a crystalline sound, not my main concern as much as the "wind howling" on high-gain leads--I think they are related.

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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 2:53pm

Thats great that you and Kemper see eye to eye then and a fix is on its way.
I dont have the golden ears I thought I had then :) 8| :whistling:

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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 2:54pm

It does not sound like digital aliasing to me but something else. Do you get the same noise with the noise gate disabled?

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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 2:57pm

Thats great that you and Kemper see eye to eye then and a fix is on its way.
I dont have the golden ears I thought I had then :) 8| :whistling:


Don't waste time then, Andy! Go get ALL the amps you profiled before and re-profile them again, please!!! :S ;(

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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 4:13pm

I have heard "fizz" on amps too. I never push the presence too high on real amps either. The KPA can be very trebly with my setup at times so I keep both presence and treble relatively low. Gives me a good balance of no fizz and nice airiness that I have had trouble getting with just about every other modeler.

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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 4:19pm

I hear this type of thing via SPDIF any my EMU sound card, the SPDIFs are incompatible in my case, I just switch over to the XLR outs and I am fine. No high end digital aliasing.