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Friday, June 8th 2012, 7:04pm
Will Kemper ever release a FRFR Cab?
Hi Guys,
I'm almost ready to buy my Kemper (I actually wait on the Rack version and hopping it will have both Stomps external loop and Effects stereo loops
) and I was wondering, since a PowerAmp is apparently already in discussion, if Kemper will ever release a FRFR Cab to go and match perfectly with the Kemper with PowerAmp option?
That way you can just grab your Kemper, the Cab and later the Foot Controller and you're ready to go...
If not, what FRFR Cab and PowerAmp do you recommend?
I never used FRFR cab and I was wondering if a Kemper with a FRFR Amp&Cab and a, let's say a Rectifier profile, will sound as real as a real Rectifier with a cab? From everything I heard so far, it looks like it sounds great for tracking, recording... where you have a limited sound (limited by the mic type, position, room, pre-amp, etc...). But when you really play an Amp, it sounds more full than the sound you will have on a record. Is there any way to get that feeling too with a Kemper? If yes, with what kind of setup?
I know, two questions in one post, but I think they're related
Thanks,
Phil
I'm almost ready to buy my Kemper (I actually wait on the Rack version and hopping it will have both Stomps external loop and Effects stereo loops
) and I was wondering, since a PowerAmp is apparently already in discussion, if Kemper will ever release a FRFR Cab to go and match perfectly with the Kemper with PowerAmp option?That way you can just grab your Kemper, the Cab and later the Foot Controller and you're ready to go...
If not, what FRFR Cab and PowerAmp do you recommend?
I never used FRFR cab and I was wondering if a Kemper with a FRFR Amp&Cab and a, let's say a Rectifier profile, will sound as real as a real Rectifier with a cab? From everything I heard so far, it looks like it sounds great for tracking, recording... where you have a limited sound (limited by the mic type, position, room, pre-amp, etc...). But when you really play an Amp, it sounds more full than the sound you will have on a record. Is there any way to get that feeling too with a Kemper? If yes, with what kind of setup?
I know, two questions in one post, but I think they're related
Thanks,
Phil
Saturday, June 9th 2012, 4:35am
I believe it's because the whole linear approach a digital simulator requires is completely new for a rock guitarist.
We've learned in 60 years of electric guitar that our instruments don't sound good in a mixer or in a keyboard amp (unless is a jazz guitar, or a hollow body and the like). We've learned that the most emotional findings in more than half a century has been taking the amps to work in their non-linear range.
Furthermore, we're fetishists when it comes to instruments, amps, cabs, fx. We spend half of our time playing, and the rest (or more for some) dreaming of owning more stuff, because what we don't own is the cause of us not sounding good (and sometimes of not playing good as well).
The idea that the non linearities of a distorted sound are been taken care in the algorithm is like trying to convince a Ferrari owner that the ultimate technological discovery is a simple living room on four wheels which you command by voice; you just tell it where you want to go, and it will do all by itself, in the fastest and most secure way.
Where has all the magic gone? How can I feel cool any more if all I own is a computer and a PA monitor?
When a rocker states they can't feel the "amp in the room", it's like the Ferrari owner when he can't loose 700 HP by just pressing a pedal; he can't feel his body pushed against the seat by a 600+ Nm torque. No more tyres screeching, no more that fast 6Th-3Th gear change that brings the engine to 8000 rmp @ 180 mph ...
Mr Kemper, you should be aware that people like you and Mr Chase are killing (and burying) a 60-year old mythology. It takes time. Please, be patient with us
We've learned in 60 years of electric guitar that our instruments don't sound good in a mixer or in a keyboard amp (unless is a jazz guitar, or a hollow body and the like). We've learned that the most emotional findings in more than half a century has been taking the amps to work in their non-linear range.
Furthermore, we're fetishists when it comes to instruments, amps, cabs, fx. We spend half of our time playing, and the rest (or more for some) dreaming of owning more stuff, because what we don't own is the cause of us not sounding good (and sometimes of not playing good as well).
The idea that the non linearities of a distorted sound are been taken care in the algorithm is like trying to convince a Ferrari owner that the ultimate technological discovery is a simple living room on four wheels which you command by voice; you just tell it where you want to go, and it will do all by itself, in the fastest and most secure way.
Where has all the magic gone? How can I feel cool any more if all I own is a computer and a PA monitor?
When a rocker states they can't feel the "amp in the room", it's like the Ferrari owner when he can't loose 700 HP by just pressing a pedal; he can't feel his body pushed against the seat by a 600+ Nm torque. No more tyres screeching, no more that fast 6Th-3Th gear change that brings the engine to 8000 rmp @ 180 mph ...
Mr Kemper, you should be aware that people like you and Mr Chase are killing (and burying) a 60-year old mythology. It takes time. Please, be patient with us
gianfranco di mare
Musicians Support Association
Saturday, June 9th 2012, 5:58am
Well, I don't think it's that easy... having the mic'd sound is what the audience hear... on large venue only. On a small gig, there's no need for mic at all and the audience get the full sound.
Then, a keyboard, drums, singer, etc... don't get their sound from the cab. For a guitarist, the cab is almost as important as the amp for the sound. If you'd capture just the amp without the cab, it would just sound like crap.
Nonetheless, the Kemper Profiles are the results of mic'd sounds... which is perfect for studio use, because it's what you hear on the record.
But when I play a real amp in a room, it doesn't sound at all like what you hear on a record, because there's not only 1, 2 or even 3 mics to capture the sound.
So I'm not familiar with the FRFR cab, but I just find hard to understand how the Kemper could capture and re-create all sounds definitions you get from an Amp & Cab when you play in the room, when the profile has been done with only a portion of the sound.
From my understanding, it's like if you sample 4 seconds of a song and you say you could re-play the entire 4 minutes of the song... Well, I guess that would be true for these 4 seconds, but you'd miss some parts.
And it's not because it's the one of the solution most pro for large venues decided to adopt that it's the best one... I'm not playing for 25,000 people, never did and will probably never do. The only real solution I see is to profile the Amp only with a loadbox (such the Torpedo or so). I've been thinking about it. That way I would understand... full signal from the amp. And then we could use a real cab on stage... That would make more sense in my head
I might be completely wrong, but that's how I understand it and that's why I'm asking the question
Phil
Then, a keyboard, drums, singer, etc... don't get their sound from the cab. For a guitarist, the cab is almost as important as the amp for the sound. If you'd capture just the amp without the cab, it would just sound like crap.
Nonetheless, the Kemper Profiles are the results of mic'd sounds... which is perfect for studio use, because it's what you hear on the record.
But when I play a real amp in a room, it doesn't sound at all like what you hear on a record, because there's not only 1, 2 or even 3 mics to capture the sound.
So I'm not familiar with the FRFR cab, but I just find hard to understand how the Kemper could capture and re-create all sounds definitions you get from an Amp & Cab when you play in the room, when the profile has been done with only a portion of the sound.
From my understanding, it's like if you sample 4 seconds of a song and you say you could re-play the entire 4 minutes of the song... Well, I guess that would be true for these 4 seconds, but you'd miss some parts.
And it's not because it's the one of the solution most pro for large venues decided to adopt that it's the best one... I'm not playing for 25,000 people, never did and will probably never do. The only real solution I see is to profile the Amp only with a loadbox (such the Torpedo or so). I've been thinking about it. That way I would understand... full signal from the amp. And then we could use a real cab on stage... That would make more sense in my head
I might be completely wrong, but that's how I understand it and that's why I'm asking the question
Phil
Saturday, June 9th 2012, 12:55pm
I think Kemper is absolutely amazing, stunning, groundbreaking, but I am one of those who would love to use the Kemper + cab as the perfect replacement for a tube amp (even though it is a great recording/direct to PA solution), simply because (in my outdated head), I still see the electric guitar as a "complete instrument" only when coupled with a amplified cabinet.
Have you tried it yet?
Saturday, June 9th 2012, 1:05pm
I think Kemper is absolutely amazing, stunning, groundbreaking, but I am one of those who would love to use the Kemper + cab as the perfect replacement for a tube amp (even though it is a great recording/direct to PA solution), simply because (in my outdated head), I still see the electric guitar as a "complete instrument" only when coupled with a amplified cabinet.
Have you tried it yet?
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