Kemper Amps Forum

Quoted from "audioholic"

I just wish he would stop talking on that site.

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Come on chaps, let it go, it's time for fully grown male individuals to walk away from that nonsense.

Cliff is just a character, yes he has a vested interest in downplaying the Kemper and trying to boost his own product, but to me it seems he's always been this way. Either sit back and enjoy the show or ignore it as background fluff, it's not really worth getting worked up about and I think it's beneath most members here to get involved. Amp sims aren't religion, I think the AxeFX is a brilliant piece of gear, I just prefer the Kemper for sound and simplicity. But there's no point being worked up about misinformation that Cliff posts, because that's his job. It's like Jay doing the same thing about IR's and speakers, he has a vested interest (and that's also why he'll never love the KPA, an IR is about as useful to a Kemper owner as a microwave dinner is to a Michelin star chef) so he also defends his own technology tooth and claw. These guys will argue opinion as fact because their welfare and income depend on that. All is fair in love and war, and make no mistake marketing is war. Unfortunately for them just as with guitar playing, it's not about volume but quality, there's a time to be proactive, and a time to stand back. A cult of personality approach that might work in politics quite often wont sit so well with products, Cliff hasn't learned that yet.

If you carry on arguing, mudslinging with those sort of people all that happens is you get covered in crap. Think of how bad Cliff looks right now, that's all down to him and his lack of self control. If you respond in kind all that happens is you start looking just as crazy. So forget it, men know when to walk away and let the crazy dude take all the crazy credit.

It's better to rise above it all and it makes a nicer and more useful forum if there's less platform zealotry and more maturity. So fellow male and female individuals, lets leave it be and get back to making music.

Quoted from "ampjunkie"

Quoted from "ballantine"

Quoted from "ampjunkie"

Similar to Steve Job's response about phone reception when holding the older iPhone a specific way. Simply arrogant.

That Jobs response was a fake... blame him for whatever you want, but not for that answer...

Yes, you may be right on that. Nonetheless, the arrogance displayed by Apple is very real, with condescension being a main attribute (i.e. I know what is good for you, I am the expert, you are all idiots). Unfortunately, that seems to be oozing from the FAS camp ... Don't get me wrong -- I love the products. Just lose the attitude please!

I don't see arrogance... I see philosophy!
I don't love every product they do and if I don't like something I don't buy it, but I can see a clear philosophy in their choices... Even in those I don't like.
We are very off topic so I stop it here, but I can give you a lot of examples if you want...
Maybe they'll change and they'll satisfy more people, but for sure they'll lose customer like me that often buy things from apple without testing it and without thinking too much, sure that everything will work well and will be easy to use, and spending a little more money without complaining.
I think every company should have a philosophy to follow (not the same philosophy of Apple, of course!) and the world would be a better place.

I was hoping in Kemper to be the "Apple for guitarist", but for now I'm a bit disappointed. Not for the sound!!! That is amazing and there's nothing comparable out there!!! I receive compliments every gig ;-))
I'm talking about things already asked and discussed in this forum (undo-redo, performance mode, etc) promised in the front panel of the KPA and that didn't received official answers about WHEN... That's definitely "not Apple" :-)
That reminds me of Terratec... Long time ago...

Quoted from "Per"

Come on chaps, let it go, it's time for fully grown male individuals to walk away from that nonsense.

yes, many fully grown men™ are spending too much time arguing rather than making love

Quoted from "donbarzini"

Quoted from "Per"

Come on chaps, let it go, it's time for fully grown male individuals to walk away from that nonsense.

yes, many fully grown men™ are spending too much time arguing rather than making love

The Don has spoken. Let's move on.

To bad we can't say how we really feel over at TGP. The number one guy is a big time FAS fanboy. They shut the threads down if they don't go their way.

The one great thing I have recently seen is that David Torn is using the KPA, and he's pretty enthusiastic about it. His KPA clips are awesome. The TGP moderators (many who are FAS fanboys) don't dare try to question him on his opinions as he's a *true* professional musician with plenty of experience and awareness of great tone.

I think I'll end the bashing on this thread as was mentioned earlier and focus on the product.

BTW, with the new firmware and lots of profiles loaded, how long does it take to boot?

Quoted from "Per"

Come on chaps, let it go, it's time for fully grown male individuals to walk away from that nonsense.

Cliff is just a character, yes he has a vested interest in downplaying the Kemper and trying to boost his own product, but to me it seems he's always been this way. Either sit back and enjoy the show or ignore it as background fluff, it's not really worth getting worked up about and I think it's beneath most members here to get involved. Amp sims aren't religion, I think the AxeFX is a brilliant piece of gear, I just prefer the Kemper for sound and simplicity. But there's no point being worked up about misinformation that Cliff posts, because that's his job. It's like Jay doing the same thing about IR's and speakers, he has a vested interest (and that's also why he'll never love the KPA, an IR is about as useful to a Kemper owner as a microwave dinner is to a Michelin star chef) so he also defends his own technology tooth and claw. These guys will argue opinion as fact because their welfare and income depend on that. All is fair in love and war, and make no mistake marketing is war. Unfortunately for them just as with guitar playing, it's not about volume but quality, there's a time to be proactive, and a time to stand back. A cult of personality approach that might work in politics quite often wont sit so well with products, Cliff hasn't learned that yet.

If you carry on arguing, mudslinging with those sort of people all that happens is you get covered in crap. Think of how bad Cliff looks right now, that's all down to him and his lack of self control. If you respond in kind all that happens is you start looking just as crazy. So forget it, men know when to walk away and let the crazy dude take all the crazy credit.

It's better to rise above it all and it makes a nicer and more useful forum if there's less platform zealotry and more maturity. So fellow male and female individuals, lets leave it be and get back to making music.

Very well stated. I guess what riles me up is that the Axe FX actually has a number or real benefits that the Kemper doesn't. Extensive effect selection including vocoder and synth. Since they're modeled instead of "profiled" the amps behave like the amps their modeled after when tweaking the controls. It's a USB audio interface. It's got a editor/librarian application. Etc. Why not lean on it's real strengths as selling points? Why spend the time making b.s. "tests" when your product actually has real strengths? You're right, it does seem like the rantings of a crazy person. Desperation is never pretty.

Quoted from "zerocrossing"

Very well stated. I guess what riles me up is that the Axe FX actually has a number or real benefits that the Kemper doesn't. Extensive effect selection including vocoder and synth. Since they're modeled instead of "profiled" the amps behave like the amps their modeled after when tweaking the controls. It's a USB audio interface. It's got a editor/librarian application. Etc. Why not lean on it's real strengths as selling points? Why spend the time making b.s. "tests" when your product actually has real strengths? You're right, it does seem like the rantings of a crazy person. Desperation is never pretty.

I think if you look at the famed regular updates from Fractal on both the II and the original Standard\Ultra - the vast majority have always been about improving the core Amp\Cab tone along with bug fixing, and very little focus on improving effects. There have been improvements to the effects, but not ever the main focus in my opinion. Even when the II came out, when asked, Cliff was saying that if your main use if effects there probably isnt much point in upgrading. So assuming that, i think its probably just a pride thing... Cliff and the legions believe they have the best, Kemper has rocked that boat and they don't like it much.. Bells and whistles are all well and good, and i miss USB\Librarian stuff from the AXE (still have a II just haven't turned it on since gettking the Kemper a few weeks ago) but id prefer to drive a Farari with no radio\air con\sat nav than a totally specked out Yaris if your looking for a great driving experience! Don't get me wrong, Kemper has ways to go - Its been Beta far too long (and doens't advertise that its Beta very well.. doesn't say it at retail, which is a little cheeky in my point of view, granted i did know before buying but still...) the aliasing thing does annoy me on some profiles sometimes but generally don't notice it... If AXE Firmware 7 gets the raw feeling of playing guitar through the AXE better than what im getting from the Kemper, no skin off my nose ill move back to the Axe and move on the Kemper, if it doesn't, the AXE will probably be up for sale soon..

Quoted from "Bke"

... id prefer to drive a Farari with no radio\air con\sat nav than a totally specked out Yaris if your looking for a great driving experience!

Yeah, I see your point, though I'd be hard pressed to think of something that's got all the features that the Kemper has as a stripped down Italian car. More like a full featured car that's missing things like hands free bluetooth phone control and a satellite nav system.