Kemper Amps Forum

I see it simple. If you want Armin profiles just pay for them. If you don't want to pay for profiles just use the ones available for free or create your own. It is that simple. He has the right to sell whatever he wants to sell as long as he is the author of it. If you buy them you are allowed to use them in the way the author authorizes you. This is the same thing for IR files, sample libraries, patches libraries, etc...

I don´t understand why is it so hard for people to understand that just because it is easy to make a copy of something that does not give you the right to get it for free or share it and don't pay anything to the author.

Quoted from "MadH"

I don´t understand why is it so hard for people to understand that just because it is easy to make a copy of something that does not give you the right to get it for free or share it and don't pay anything to the author.

So you think if i buy a profile like a 57' Deluxe, tweak it, assign another cab, and make it sound like a hotrodded Deluxe, i don't have the right to share it with the communitiy ??

Weird discussion - isn't it ?

Ok - real life mode on:
There's no way to avoid the sharing of profiles except protecting them in a way that will restrain the "open source mind" of the KPA!

I've booked a profiling session in a recording studio in february, and the value of the amps i'm going to profile is about 20K cabs included!

The studio fee is about 50 Euros per hour!
I wan't to profile those amps in a professional way for my personal use!

And i'm probably going to share those profiles FOR FREE!!, just to give back to the community what i took from it.

If more people act this way, this place is going to grow and make lots of happy KPA users !

Trying to make money out of every opportunity is NOT COOL ANYMORE !!!


That's my point

Cheers

to reznor

+1 to reznor!

I prefer free profiles, too, but if Armin would put up a good JTM45 I think I'd buy them. But have to check out Lance's JTM45/Till Rig first
If you don't like to buy profiles, just don't buy them

Kemper, please hurry and make a Profile upload/download webpage with user ratings. Only a month passed and i have lost track of all these profiles available

Quoted from "reznor"

Quoted from "MadH"

I don´t understand why is it so hard for people to understand that just because it is easy to make a copy of something that does not give you the right to get it for free or share it and don't pay anything to the author.

So you think if i buy a profile like a 57' Deluxe, tweak it, assign another cab, and make it sound like a hotrodded Deluxe, i don't have the right to share it with the communitiy ??

Weird discussion - isn't it ?

Ok - real life mode on:
There's no way to avoid the sharing of profiles except protecting them in a way that will restrain the "open source mind" of the KPA!

I've booked a profiling session in a recording studio in february, and the value of the amps i'm going to profile is about 20K cabs included!

The studio fee is about 50 Euros per hour!
I wan't to profile those amps in a professional way for my personal use!

And i'm probably going to share those profiles FOR FREE!!, just to give back to the community what i took from it.

If more people act this way, this place is going to grow and make lots of happy KPA users !

Trying to make money out of every opportunity is NOT COOL ANYMORE !!!

That's my point

Cheers

Ok, first of all don't confuse Open Source with user generated content. KPA is not Open Source since we don't have access to the source code of any part of the software running on it. KPA relays in user generated content but that does not mean that it has to be free or that the author of that content has no rights over it.

I will give you an example of other devices using user generated content. Imagine you buy a sampler. You will find samples or sample libraries that are free and some others that are not. And when you buy those, they are subject to copyrights and to the terms of use that you accept when you purchase them. The terms of use are defined by the author and usually do not allow sharing or reproduction (copy) of the whole or any part of it. So you can yo read these things before you buy and id you don't agree don't buy it.

You are free to do with the profiles you created whatever you want. Even if you consider unfair that somebody charges for something that you give for free, it is not unfair. What would not be fair is that you impose your way to some else just because you want to do things different. Imagine most people would make available their music for free, would you loose your right to sell your own music because of that?

Me personally, I have the same view as you. I am going to share my profiles for free as I have always done with patches of other devices but I respect if someone else decides to go the other way because they have the same right as I do to do whatever they decide with their work.

Quoted from "MadH"

Even if you consider unfair that somebody charges for something that you give for free

I'm not considering that unfair, but i think that the people who charge for profiles will be trying to protect their profiles from sharing by compromising the KPA software, and here things get nasty.

I've got no problem with somebody who charges for profiles, as long as free sharing is still possible.

Quoted from "reznor"

Quoted from "MadH"

Even if you consider unfair that somebody charges for something that you give for free

I'm not considering that unfair, but i think that the people who charge for profiles will be trying to protect their profiles from sharing by compromising the KPA software, and here things get nasty.

I've got no problem with somebody who charges for profiles, as long as free sharing is still possible.

The point is that you are not who decides free sharing if you are not the author and you should not have a problem with that. If your concern is the KPA software, I would not worry about it since the users have no control over it. If you decide to sell and protect by copyright your profiles at the end it is up to you, the author, to take care of that not Kemper and the only thing you could do is sue anyone that violates the terms of use.

Quoted from "MadH"

If you decide to sell and protect by copyright your profiles at the end it is up to you, the author, to take care of that not Kemper and the only thing you could do is sue anyone that violates the terms of use.

Agree. Bad taste or not, everybody can decide to buy or not to buy. So far no problem.

Maybe my english is to bad for you to understand my question:
Where can I read the license or contract BEFORE I buy the profiles from Armin? (We have some rules for online trading in the EU)

Armin can't or will not answer this specific question and his online shop is far away from EU legality.