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Sunday, January 29th 2012, 8:57pm

External Amp to noisy

I got the message 'External Amp to noisy' during profiling the red lead channel of a JVM - even at gain = 12:00.

Yes, the red lead channels are noisy :D

The only trick I found was to profile at gain 10:00 and then increase the KPA gain by hand.

It's the first amp I profiles which maxed out the KPA distortion.

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Sunday, January 29th 2012, 9:16pm

The red lead channels have crazy amounts of gain on them
The sweet spot on Lead 1 orange (which seems to be the favourite channel) is about 10 o clock to 1 o clock.
Probably the highest gain amp Ive ever played
Oh and playing one live meant a noise gate pedal was pretty well obligatory lol

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "sheguitarplayer" (Jan 29th 2012, 9:22pm)


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Sunday, January 29th 2012, 10:12pm

The red lead channels have crazy amounts of gain on them
The sweet spot on Lead 1 orange (which seems to be the favourite channel) is about 10 o clock to 1 o clock.
Probably the highest gain amp Ive ever played
Oh and playing one live meant a noise gate pedal was pretty well obligatory lol
Exactly. The OD1 and OD2 Red modes are totally overkill for Rhythm Stuff. Might be ok for soloing, but without a decent noise gate i would not use that mode. I used OD1 orange at 10:00 for profiling.

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Sunday, January 29th 2012, 10:34pm

I used to use od 1 orange about 10 o clock and use the guitar volume knob to go between rhythm and lead. Much less than 10 o clock and it thinned out considerably.
Your profiles nail it as I remember it.
There are some great sounds to be had on the clean and crunch channels too.
I used both green and orange on the od 1 channel. Od 2 just didn't do it for me, and od1 red was just way too gainy.
In the end I sold it as there was no way of setting it up to footswitch between the sounds I wanted in a live context.
I wanted to be able to use and switch between clean orange and red (but on different eq/gain settings), crunch orange and red (again on different gain/lead settings) and OD1 on orange and a second orange (with different eq/volume for solos)
Great sounding amp though.

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Monday, January 30th 2012, 9:26am

Is this using the Kemper mic input? Would this still be the same with an external preamp with the output set so that the KPA is in the green?

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Monday, January 30th 2012, 11:13am

Is this using the Kemper mic input? Would this still be the same with an external preamp with the output set so that the KPA is in the green?
That would not make a difference imo. The JVM perhaps is the amp with the highest amount of gain on the market today. Since it does not archieve this amount of gain with clipping diodes but with traditional preamp tube gain stages its unavoidable that this comes along with some noise. Similar to a 5150 indeed. Because of the noise in the red modes the KPA will have difficulties separating noise from signal in lower dynamic ranges. In fact i find it remarkable that the KPA does detect this on its own.

The solution with the JVM is using the orange modes, which use a gain stage less. Makes the tone less compressed too. Still has more gain than any other Marshall before.

Using external preamps is a thing i would not necessarily assume to archive better profiling results. Especially those expensive tube mic preamps do a lot of coloration and even compression on their own, which is nice for preprocessing vocals. With the KPA, this will most likely reduce the dynamics of your profiles. For some moody blues tones this might be nice but in general i would go for a preamp and A/D converter that is dead neutral with maximum signal/noise ratio. The KPA built in Preamps and converters are neutral, but high quality. Check my threat where i compared the DI signals.

When using a submixer if you want to use two mics or a condenser it all depends on your mixer of course. The mackie VLZ1202 that i am using is ok, but i guess the KPA mic preamp would give even better results.

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Monday, January 30th 2012, 11:39pm

Yes, it's great that the KPA can capture the Red mode of the JVM's OD1/OD2 channel - the amp noise is almost as loud as the KPA test signal - and it still works great.

The funny thing - the profile via the KPA has less noise than the real amp :thumbsup:

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Monday, January 30th 2012, 11:41pm


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When using a submixer if you want to use two mics or a condenser it all depends on your mixer of course. The mackie VLZ1202 that i am using is ok, but i guess the KPA mic preamp would give even better results.


Yes, I agree - I found that the KPA mic preamp works great for profiling - I use external preamps only with condenser mics now.