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Armin

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Wednesday, February 1st 2012, 7:52pm

KPA = old tech?

We have not very much information about the technical part of the KPA:
DSP power
Memory (not even how many rigs we can store)
Used AD and DA converters
...

It's interesting that in the AxeFx forum is a discussion about all this - with some 'answers':
1) It's a low performance DSP
2) The cabinet modeling has no nonlinear or dynamics processing
3) The cabinet has only 256 point IR's (compare 2048 in the AxeFx)
4) Modeling is only a basic EQ - waveshaper - EQ
...

Is this true?
I don't know - yet

Do I care?
My tube amps are all old tech - but sound great.

And whatever is inside of the KPA - the sound results (amp and speaker simulation) sound by far better than any other digital box - maybe my ears are also old tech - but the KPA sounds much closer to all my tube amps.


Update (2012/2/4):
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#1) --> Not true - > It's a current dual core DSP
source (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C30GRsANwqg 8:50)

#2) ???

#3) --> Not true - check page8 (Amp & Cabinet works without any IR's)

#4) --> Not true - check Kemper FAQ / manual
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Wednesday, February 1st 2012, 8:15pm

btw. I just posted this final comment after one month of comparing the AxeFx II, VB101 and KPA in the 'G3' thread in the AxeFx forum:

"One month later ....
AxeFx II and the Torpedo VB101 are sold.
I profiled some of my tube amps and got never anything remotely close from any other digital box.
Spend much more time playing then tweaking now - ok, and some time profiling....
Miss some of the great AxeFx effects - and look forward to AxeFx III :-)"


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Wednesday, February 1st 2012, 8:33pm

I don't know if that information coming from Fractal Audio owner is true or not but I would like the people at Kemper to clarify if this is correct or not. Maybe I am wrong but by reading those comments I notice an attempt to demean the KPA.

Anyway, personally I would like to know from Kemper (not a competitor) if the KPA is using IRs for the cabinets and how long they are.

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Wednesday, February 1st 2012, 8:36pm

Many users over at the AxeFX forum use the motto of "using your ears" and I agree with this. I think it's crazy to dismiss a product based on its specs alone. I agree that the Kemper is a great sounding unit. If it does use 256 point IRs then there is potential to make it even better :)

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Wednesday, February 1st 2012, 8:38pm

The Axe-fx forum is a place I stay away from. Total censorship ruled by a bunch of snobs and a lot of mindless followers! I love how Cliff is the first to bash products by competitors on threads at TGP forum just based on specs alone (if a new product has a less state-of-the-art DSP than the AxeFx). Ever seen the movie "Bowfinger" where they have that "mindhead" organization? That's like Fractal Audio. :D
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Wednesday, February 1st 2012, 8:51pm

Quoted from "schneidas"

The Axe-fx forum is a place I stay away from. Total censorship ruled by a bunch of snobs and a lot of mindless followers! I love how Cliff is the first to bash products by competitors on threads at TGP forum just based on specs alone (if a new product has a less state-of-the-art DSP than the AxeFx). Ever seen the movie "Bowfinger" where they have that "mindhead" organization? That's like Fractal Audio. :D
The Axe-fx forum is like any other product forum. It is not better or worse. The problem is not the forum but a part of the people on the forums that just because they own the product they cannot accept that anything else is better or that the product they own is not perfect. Give it time and if the KPA succeeds it will happen the same thing here.

As for bashing the competitor products the only safe way of doing it is using the specs and just based on that I don't think any other product will come close to the Axe Fx II. Having the best specs does not produce better results by default though since it is more important how you use what you have.

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Wednesday, February 1st 2012, 8:59pm

....really?!? Things are getting a bit out of control....IMHO

Edit: this comment is to the second post of the OP
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Wednesday, February 1st 2012, 8:59pm

Quoted from "schneidas"

The Axe-fx forum is a place I stay away from. Total censorship ruled by a bunch of snobs and a lot of mindless followers! I love how Cliff is the first to bash products by competitors on threads at TGP forum just based on specs alone (if a new product has a less state-of-the-art DSP than the AxeFx). Ever seen the movie "Bowfinger" where they have that "mindhead" organization? That's like Fractal Audio. :D
This is the truth, but they can't see it, they ARE a bunch of brainwashed clan members, it's pathetic.

lol, the hilarious part of it all is that every guitarist who has owned both the Axe-FX11 and Kemper has sold the Axe-FX11, clearly the fidelity quality of the Kemper is far greater than the Axe-FX11...perhaps Cliff should try figure out where he went wrong, he abandoned the wrong ship. :D
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Wednesday, February 1st 2012, 9:03pm

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Quoted from "schneidas"

The Axe-fx forum is a place I stay away from. Total censorship ruled by a bunch of snobs and a lot of mindless followers! I love how Cliff is the first to bash products by competitors on threads at TGP forum just based on specs alone (if a new product has a less state-of-the-art DSP than the AxeFx). Ever seen the movie "Bowfinger" where they have that "mindhead" organization? That's like Fractal Audio. :D
This is the truth, but they can't see it, they ARE a bunch of brainwashed clan members, it's pathetic.

lol, the hilarious part of it all is that every guitarist who has owned both the Axe-FX11 and Kemper has sold the Axe-FX11, clearly the fidelity quality of the Kemper is far greater than the Axe-FX11...perhaps Cliff should try figure out where he went wrong, he abandoned the wrong ship. :D
Not everybody has sold it. If you don't want to make this forum the same as the other forums it is better not to start making comments like that.

Anyway, please Kemper people inform us!!!!

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Wednesday, February 1st 2012, 9:12pm

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Quoted from "Guitartone"

Quoted from "schneidas"

The Axe-fx forum is a place I stay away from. Total censorship ruled by a bunch of snobs and a lot of mindless followers! I love how Cliff is the first to bash products by competitors on threads at TGP forum just based on specs alone (if a new product has a less state-of-the-art DSP than the AxeFx). Ever seen the movie "Bowfinger" where they have that "mindhead" organization? That's like Fractal Audio. :D
This is the truth, but they can't see it, they ARE a bunch of brainwashed clan members, it's pathetic.

lol, the hilarious part of it all is that every guitarist who has owned both the Axe-FX11 and Kemper has sold the Axe-FX11, clearly the fidelity quality of the Kemper is far greater than the Axe-FX11...perhaps Cliff should try figure out where he went wrong, he abandoned the wrong ship. :D
Not everybody has sold it. If you don't want to make this forum the same as the other forums it is better not to start making comments like that.

Anyway, please Kemper people inform us!!!!
Please don't tell me what to say and what not to say...thanks.
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