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Zentman is all good, who shares a passion for guitar toys and sounds. I thought the synth thing in the axe was very cool and of course it won't be exactl like a viola. bottom line is I think that even with 6.0, these boxes are still very different. I think it's cool cliff is trying to add featured his customers want. A this point I think if someone really wants to get an exact amp match they need to o kemper as it does better at this. Tonematchin is cool but so far it's all over the map in accuracy. More like tone in the ballpark matching. Which is fine as long as the expectations don't exceed t
This. I bet it's possible to get very close to an amp sound using ir capture on top of all the oher tools. At the end of the day the kemper just sounds more natural to me. I think we should focus on the strengths of each rather then trying to have both copy each other. Funny though that cliff Is like hey u can profile wink wink

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Just read the Fractal Profiling thread. They have a Sine Wave sweep function as an added third voice in the built-in synth. They claim to be able to "profile" by sweeping a real amp with a varying sine wave from 20hz to 20khz. I doubt its the same because they are only capturing the frequency response, not the distortion waveform characteristics. I'm sure it improves the realism...but its an eq patch on preamp and cabinet models unless I'm missing something. They want true profiling so bad they can taste it....lol.

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On TGP there is a post about tone matching, where the Axe is used to tone match a viola based on a clip from Youtube. It gets based on an inbuilt synth block in the Axe. The results are in the ball park, but not exactly tone matched. The claim is that the result is "much more natural now".

Hang on a minute - this guy hasn't been within 500 metres of a viola, so how can he say it's more natural now? I'm sure it's a great tool and will have some good results, but the level of fanboy excitement is ridiculous.

Dear Mr Sir Guy,

I made that post. I own three violins and have played for forty years. The EQ I captured was from a recording of a viola. If you listened to the clip you heard a very synthy sounding patch that was improved by overlaying the EQ of a real viola. It definitely sounded much more natural though not exactly like a real viola. I never claimed it did, it is a synth after all.

Now go look at my posting history and find anywhere or anything negative I have said about any poster or piece of gear on TGP. That includes the Kemper which I frequently praise. I can not say the same about you based on your insulting post.

A lot of folks here spend way too much time posting negative stuff about a piece of kit they neither own nor want. Jus sayin'


Here's the thread:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=1073260

The synth effect is pretty cool but both sound equally fake to me. Honestly, I don't hear any improvement in the tone there. It does not sound more natural to my ears. It just sounds like the same synth with a different EQ, not better or worse.

Many disagree.

A lot of people seem to hear what they want to hear. Someone from Fractal made a test a few days ago to prove it. But objectively the only difference there is the equalization and that does not make it more natural or less fake sounding.

Ok. You win. On to your next cyber conquest now.

LOL, that's a mature reaction. Not my intention to bash you or win anything but just to point out the obvious .

"LOL, that's a mature reaction. Not my intention to bash you or win anything but just to point out the obvious ."
If your intention was to point out the obvious then you would have typed "That does sound much better". 'Cause it obviously does.
One mans obvious is another man's "WTF!!!????"

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"LOL, that's a mature reaction. Not my intention to bash you or win anything but just to point out the obvious ."
If your intention was to point out the obvious then you would have typed "That does sound much better". 'Cause it obviously does.
One mans obvious is another man's "WTF!!!????"

Lol, I thought I already won . You could say that the EQ is closer to the real thing since you only matched the EQ, but that does not make it to sound more natural. If you could improve the dynamics, response, resonance, etc... that would make it much more natural. Don't you agree with this?

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"LOL, that's a mature reaction. Not my intention to bash you or win anything but just to point out the obvious ."
If your intention was to point out the obvious then you would have typed "That does sound much better". 'Cause it obviously does.
One mans obvious is another man's "WTF!!!????"

Lol, I thought I already won . You could say that the EQ is closer to the real thing since you only matched the EQ, but that does not make it to sound more natural. If you could improve the dynamics, response, resonance, etc... that would make it much more natural. Don't you agree with this?

I just wanted you to think you'd won so I could sneak in a smarmy comment after you left to celebrate your victory. Seriously, we can't debate this. It's all opinion and semantics. Nobody can really win but we can type for hours until we both start calling each other names. I don't wanna do that. I'll go back to my fanboy cave now.

I can vouch for Zent and have enjoyed his clips on TGP for a while now. Although maybe the clip he posted wasn't a Stradivarius, it did show a number of things. One being the versatility of the tone matching process and, irrespective of how you feel about the quality of the original clip, the matching tone was similar. How similar it needs to be for your approval is up to you. anyway, Zent is a music nerd like all of us here with no axe to grind so glad you're on this board and hope you keep pushing the envelope.

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I can vouch for Zent and have enjoyed his clips on TGP for a while now. Although maybe the clip he posted wasn't a Stradivarius, it did show a number of things. One being the versatility of the tone matching process and, irrespective of how you feel about the quality of the original clip, the matching tone was similar. How similar it needs to be for your approval is up to you. anyway, Zent is a music nerd like all of us here with no axe to grind so glad you're on this board and hope you keep pushing the envelope.

I need to clarify that post of mine. The original is the Axe synth. The EQ'd version is just the EQ from a viola applied. I actually never posted the original viola because there was no point. I just thought it was kinda neat that it helped me make my viola tone a bit better IMHO. It's a pretty neat tone that works well live and the folks seem to like it. Not a Stradivarius as you stated.
The IR used is a cello body and the EQ helped bring out some of the character I had buried with my tinkerings.

Well, it seems to me that both zentman and mahd are right: a synth sound whose EQ is closer to the natural sound the synth is trying to emulate is of course - and by its definition itself - better. Of course tone matching doesn't influence dynamics, armonic complexity function of dynamics and so forth.

Let's think of a simulated acoustic piano. Whoever has ever played a Steinway Grand will tell you that no digital modelling can reproduce its complexity. OTOH, if the same digital modelling is at least EQ-matched, the modelling can IMO be said improved.
I can't find a reason why the two statement can't be both true.

Doesn't seem rocket science to me, so of course the two above mentioned honourable members of this noble assembly were discussing about something else ;D

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Zentman is all good, who shares a passion for guitar toys and sounds.

I agree.

I do wish he'd "unblock" me from Soundcloud.