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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 1:06pm

Quoted from "schneidas"

Personally, I don't think there's some kind of "felt" latency as well.

What you guys are experiencing may be a specific "attack"-feel from the original amp itself. Some amp models (profiles) feel "spongier" or more elastic than others. Others feel stiffer. It's all pretty normal - like with real amps.

The guys who profiled their amps should know if there is some perceived change in sound or feel from the amp they profiled. If there was a noticable latency when comparing the original to the profile - I'm sure they would have said so.
Exactly.
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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 1:08pm

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I mean that sitting in the room with the amp and swapping from profile to real amp, would not necessarily make a so short latency evident, is enough that the amp is over 1,7m far to give it a higher latency then the sound coming out from the monitors.
I agree partially - it would not be evident in terms of "hear" - but it would be in terms of "feel". When comparing their profile with the original - any small change (even in latency) should result in a different feel. So I'm sure the guys actually doing profiles here would shout it out and be all over this...
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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 1:13pm

Here you go, the "myth" of latency.


"Give this a try. Plug a
microphone into a standard analog sound system and speak while standing
5 feet from the loudspeaker. You're now experiencing about 5 ms of
latency. Step back another 5 feet, and you're experiencing about 10 ms
of latency. Move the microphone a foot away from your mouth, and it
adds another 1 ms.



Delays within an ensemble of musicians can be, and often are,
relatively long. Think of a symphony where performers are located
across a 40-foot stage. The conductor waves a baton to keep time. The
percussion section might be 30 feet (and 30 ms) away, while the second
violins are 5 feet (and 5 ms) away.



Does the conductor hear all of the notes attacking at different times?
The harps might be 40 feet (and 40 ms) away from the timpani. Do they
think they sound out of time with each other? How do the musicians stay
in synch with each other?



Actually, research sponsored by the National Science Foundation,
through the Stanford University Department of Music, has shown that
performers in an ensemble have no problem synchronizing with each other
while experiencing latencies as high as 40 ms and even greater. In
fact, latencies in the 10 ms to 20 ms range actually have a stabilizing
affect on tempo and are thought to be preferred over zero latency. 2 http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/groups/sou…erformdelay.pdf "
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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 1:15pm

And here we have guitarists discussing latencies of between 2ms and 5ms.
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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 1:17pm

The link is not working, Lance. Interesting read though
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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 1:19pm

Quoted from "Guitartone"

And here we have guitarists discussing latencies of between 2ms and 5ms.
Oh come on! 5ms vs 2ms is serious shit!
It's not like we have to worry about anything else like world hunger, economic crisis, environmental pollution, cancer or stuff like that. :D :D :D
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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 1:26pm

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The link is not working, Lance. Interesting read though
Read the entire article, it's very interesting.

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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 1:50pm

Very interesting article, thanks Lance! :thumbup:
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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 3:44pm

Again: I´ve writen that I think it is not a latency problem.
Do feel a difference in playing a Roland JC-120 vs. a good tube amp ? I mean not the dynamic but the feel when you attack the strings.

Per has decribed it very well !!!!!

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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 3:54pm

The kemper feels more immediate then the axe to me- and I'm very fussy with latency- so much so- many computer modellers just frustrate me.
But the Kemper not only sounds great but she feels the best out of the many I've had

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