Any Clips/Recordings of the Metallica Master of Puppets Tone?

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clonewar

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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 7:18pm

Any Clips/Recordings of the Metallica Master of Puppets Tone?

Hi All, I'm new here, but have been following the progress of the KPA for some time now and am really close to placing an order for one (I'm in the US).

I know that there's been Mesa Boogie Mark IIc+'s and Mark III's profiled, are there any clips of the 'MOP' tone? I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, but to me it's been the most difficult high gain tone for a digital processor to recreate.

Thanks..
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guitarnet70

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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 7:36pm

I believe Sheguitarplayer or TylerHB can answer your question.

BTW: Welcome!

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tylerhb

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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 10:43pm

So we´re speaking of this tone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCSskPE4Wu0

I am not an expert on Metallica´s tone, but i think you should be able to come VERY close. I have stored 3 Mark IIc+ profiles of other users which i would start trying with. Select a cab of the various "metal friendly" 1960 cab profiles i did and then start fine tuning with AMP EQ and definition. You can also hear a fair amount of leveling subgroup compression with longer attack time there.

Maybe we can start a contest to recreate the tone as good as possible.

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XpennoKPA

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Wednesday, February 15th 2012, 11:06pm

Not MOP I know but I did a couple of black album mixes, not trying to replicate the tone exactly but just to get a good boogie tone. You should be able to get close to MOP if that's your thing.

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schneidas

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Thursday, February 16th 2012, 5:13am

Quoted from "tylerhb"

So we´re speaking of this tone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCSskPE4Wu0

I am not an expert on Metallica´s tone, but i think you should be able to come VERY close. I have stored 3 Mark IIc+ profiles of other users which i would start trying with. Select a cab of the various "metal friendly" 1960 cab profiles i did and then start fine tuning with AMP EQ and definition. You can also hear a fair amount of leveling subgroup compression with longer attack time there.

Maybe we can start a contest to recreate the tone as good as possible.

Wow, thanks for the link. I always thought Metallica had a great metal tone. The naked guitars sound... well very naked.

Never thought that it was the whole production which made it sound so good. Very revelating (is that a word?).

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tylerhb

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Thursday, February 16th 2012, 8:36am

Quoted from "schneidas"

Wow, thanks for the link. I always thought Metallica had a great metal tone. The naked guitars sound... well very naked. Never thought that it was the whole production which made it sound so good. Very revelating (is that a word?).

Thats the whole story. I love the first 4 Metallica Albums, also for their visionary way of production at that time, just trying to do new things. But as soon as you get a little deeper into mixing and mastering you start to realize that it is the drums and bass that makes up 70 to 80 % of the mix. I see a few Reasons why Master of Puppets being one the most respected Metal Albums of all times:
1. The Drum Sound was something completely new, with extreme dynamics and EQ settings.
2. Hetfields Rhythm guitar playing is awesome. Extremely tight without the possibility of digital editing at that time. Quite a performance imo. Combined with that ultra scooped "Anti-Marshall" and tripe tracked guitars it became the prototype of modern metal "guitar wall of sound"
3. Last but definitely not least its Cliff Burtons incredible talent and songwrtiting skills you hear at almost every melodic part.

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clonewar

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Thursday, February 16th 2012, 7:47pm

Thanks for the responses!

Quoted from "tylerhb"

So we´re speaking of this tone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCSskPE4Wu0

I am not an expert on Metallica´s tone, but i think you should be able to come VERY close. I have stored 3 Mark IIc+ profiles of other users which i would start trying with. Select a cab of the various "metal friendly" 1960 cab profiles i did and then start fine tuning with AMP EQ and definition. You can also hear a fair amount of leveling subgroup compression with longer attack time there.

Maybe we can start a contest to recreate the tone as good as possible.

Yes, that's it exactly.. That's several takes stacked on top of each other, so I wouldn't expect the KPA (or a real IIc+) to sound that full on it's own. And you're right about Hetfield, I read an interview with Flemming Rasmussen and he said that Hetfield's timing on overdubs was super tight.

I'd love to hear someone try to dial in that tone on a IIc+ profile and several stacked tracks.

I'm inching closer to putting in an order for a KPA, so maybe I'll be the one to do it! I have a Mark III combo amp that I'd like to profile with similar settings used for the Master of Puppets tone.

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clonewar

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Thursday, February 16th 2012, 7:58pm

Quoted from "XpennoKPA"

Not MOP I know but I did a couple of black album mixes, not trying to replicate the tone exactly but just to get a good boogie tone. You should be able to get close to MOP if that's your thing.

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Spence

Man that sounds great! To me that's the closest Black album Recto digital simulation I've heard. Did you profile that yourself, or is it one of the stock or user shared profiles?