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Tuesday, April 3rd 2012, 3:26pm

Yeah I think the benchmark should go back to Amps
Ad in kempers case how the mics are hearing the amp. Most Amps don't sound amazing an hyped right out of the gate with a micd up amp. However in the mix and part of the song structure it's these raw, real qualities and anomalies that end up sitting so well and being more pleasing to the ear. Amp distortion often isn't smooth or perfect Or idealized. But it's Alive and raw and what ha worked best So while not perfect, the Kemper has sounded the most analog out I any direct Box I have used or heard. Dynamics are often minimized once a mic that adds its own compression is stuck in front of a cab. Trying to get dynamics from a single 57 is kinda hard to.

Side by side Kemper has pretty well replicated the amp sounds in blind listening tests. This alone should dictate that the Kemper can be very amp like when talki g about recordings. Not all may find they actually like or prefer a raw amp sound. But for me in countless listening of mixes, clips, etc. I will say the Kemper has sounded the best an most realistic thus far from any device. I would give the 11 rack the nod for second most realistic. Then the axe 3rd. That is how I hear things and my own opinion.

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Tuesday, April 3rd 2012, 4:09pm

Yeah I think the benchmark should go back to Amps
Ad in kempers case how the mics are hearing the amp. Most Amps don't sound amazing an hyped right out of the gate with a micd up amp. However in the mix and part of the song structure it's these raw, real qualities and anomalies that end up sitting so well and being more pleasing to the ear. Amp distortion often isn't smooth or perfect Or idealized. But it's Alive and raw and what ha worked best So while not perfect, the Kemper has sounded the most analog out I any direct Box I have used or heard. Dynamics are often minimized once a mic that adds its own compression is stuck in front of a cab.

Side by side Kemper has pretty well replicated the amp sounds in blind listening tests. This alone should dictate that the Kemper can be very amp like when talki g about recordings. Not all may find they actually like or prefer a raw amp sound. But for me in countless listening of mixes, clips, etc. I will say the Kemper has sounded the best an most realistic thus far from any device. I would give the 11 rack the nod for second most realistic. Then the axe 3rd. That is how I hear things and my own opinion.


I agree. Kemper sounds the best to me. I wouldn't set a rating up beyond what I like best. I just don't use what I don't like. This works out when what you do like is in your price range...

I understand what it's like to deal with a piece of gear which is very close to what you want and just a little something might make it perfect.

I hope Radley get's a chance to record some examples when the circumstances allow. Words only go so far to describe something which is audio in nature, thus maybe audio examples would put it in the best "language" for comment or review. I think it's easier to quantify when the characteristic is reviewed literally and not figuratively. ;)

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Tuesday, April 3rd 2012, 7:24pm

I hope no one has the impression I bought my Kemper to make it sound like an AFX, Pod, or Boss GT - I kept it *because* it sounds & operates differently and adds more colors to my 'sonic palette', and yes, it has a very amplike tone. 8)

I still wish this thread had been deleted....it has apparently become 'the thread that would not die'. :whistling:

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 1:55am

At least it's me having the impression that you want to make it sound like a synthesized amp.
In weeks you have not proven that this is not the case.

And the tread will go on as long as you state on other forums that you get no help or understanding by me or the "fanboys"

Quote: "My comments on the Kemper board could be very valuable if the right ears were listening"
http://forum.fractalaudio.com/axe-fx-ii-…preview-48.html

How could I evaluate your problem based on your diffuse comments, answers and lack of sound examples.
I try to listen but I cannot hear you.

We are wasting our time

CK

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 3:11am

Christoph,

I am definitely not here to waste your time (I know you are a very busy man), and hopefully you are not here to bully me or anyone else who has shared similar thoughts. In the next few days, I will provide the sample/comparison you have requested - I hope that it will be helpful, and show that I also am trying to be helpful in my words and actions.

Another tasty player on the board here (Bill Rupert) has also stated that the KPA does an excellent job of profiling other modelers and preamps - I see this as a good thing! Not quite sure why this would be offensive.... It is quite possible we have a bit of a language barrier adding complexity to the mix of ideas. (but the barrier would be far worse if we tried to communicate in German!) 8o

Cheers,
Hadley Hockensmith

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 3:36am

YES, YES, YES
"KPA does an excellent job of profiling other modelers and pre-amps"
I stand by that, its true.
As well as amps mic up.
I am so thrilled with the Kemper I cant believe it.

Many problems with modeling other modeling gear is from user problems.
Noise gates and compressors must be off!
That includes reverb and effects.
This may sound very obvious to most of us, but I am very sure there are people profiling their gear with effects full on.
This sends the poor Kemper into complete confusion.

I find the Kemper is one of the best tone tool I have owned in 30 years of being a studio musician.
(PS I have owned EVERYTHING else...)
Bill

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 5:59am

Wow Bill - You should engage your PM capabilities on this board.... no way to communicate bro! ;(

I believe between you and myself, we have owned every guitar processor known to mankind! 8o 8o 8o

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 6:26am

It is quite possible we have a bit of a language barrier adding complexity to the mix of ideas. (but the barrier would be far worse if we tried to communicate in German!) 8o
LOL. Sure, blame it on the language!!! It is good that you accepted at last to make the sound example. Why use one thousands words to describe it and take the time to write so many post about it here and in other places while you can take 5 minutes to record a clip that demonstrates it.

This is what CK and other users has been telling you to do since the beginning so he could look into it. I don`t think he could be more helpful than that. If you can demonstrate what you are claiming, I am sure it will be taken care of and you will be at the end making a favor to all of us.

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 6:27am

PS: I understand 'Hockensmith' is a German name, which means 'the maker of garden tools' (I like that). 'Hadley' is English, and it literally means 'from the Heath Forest' - maybe that's why I smell so good? 8o

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Wednesday, April 4th 2012, 6:36am

It is quite possible we have a bit of a language barrier adding complexity to the mix of ideas. (but the barrier would be far worse if we tried to communicate in German!) 8o
LOL. Sure, blame it on the language!!! It is good that you accepted at last to make the sound example. Why use one thousands words to describe it and take the time to write so many post about it here and in other places while you can take 5 minutes to record a clip that demonstrates it.

This is what CK and other users has been telling you to do since the beginning so he could look into it. I don`t think he could be more helpful than that. If you can demonstrate what you are claiming, I am sure it will be taken care of and you will be at the end making a favor to all of us.

MadH - Please relax.... I am not the enemy! I am doing what Mr. Kemper has asked of me (although at first I felt it was unnecessary). I will do a whatever I can to make this a better platform for great amp sounds, as I also do on any other user boards I frequent.