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Radley

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Wednesday, March 14th 2012, 5:02pm

Administrator: Delete Threads please!

OK guys - I thought I was doing what Mr. Kemper suggested by starting this new thread, but regardless, this is obviously not going to be productive. I would ask the administrator to delete both this, the previous thread, and any others anyone here may find too negative, and I will keep any such thoughts to myself in the future. Why did I post them at all? Just like some of you have posted new feature requests in hopes that they will improve the future KPA, the distortion happened to be my main concern so I have posted about it in hopes of making it 'ideal'. In a way, the motivation was selfish, in that I want it to be 'perfection' for my own playing/sonic tastes, as I still haven't quite been able to 'nail it all down' personally. This is a new product, and many of us want to 'get our 2¢ in' while it is being refined' - I think that is human nature. It's just that some of us are more opinionated and vocal than others 8o

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Wednesday, March 14th 2012, 6:08pm

Why does everybody think CK is sitting at home and is drinking beer all the time? We had an update every two weeks. That's so great, unbelievable! If he knew a simple and fast trick to improve the whole sound he would implement that. Anybody thinking that he has a reserve that he just holds back and hides from us? Absurd! Thank you CK for your hard and steady work! :thumbup:

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Wednesday, March 14th 2012, 6:12pm

I really don't see what the problem is here. If Radley thinks that this is a real problem then let him post. I don't get the idea that on any forum that a post that the majority of people don't like, that everyone has to wade in and trash the thread. It sounds to me that Radley is trying to improve the product, why not try and keep the forum positive i.e. if you don't have anything to add to a thread then don't post in it? Just my £0.02.

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Wednesday, March 14th 2012, 6:42pm

I don't want to sound negative, i'm happy with the KPA, if I was not I'd have returned it, it comes very close to sounding like the profiled amps, probably the closest to an amp sound in any digital device at this time, but yes profiled distortion sounds still have room for improvement, I can't describe was it is in words, but when playing the amp, and the profiles, it's not exactly the same, so it would be a mistake for KPA to assume no more improvement is needed on that area, but of course it already captures the sound very well, so most people will never complaint about it, maybe it has to do with the refine process, but haven't been able yet to get the exact same sound profiles, as what i hear on the studio monitors direct from amp, when I compare I don't hear the Real amp sound at all, it's in a sound proof room far away, so all I get is the mic sound.

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Wednesday, March 14th 2012, 6:44pm

Yes, maybe he's trying to help. Or just wanting some improvement for his own wishes. But:. He has his unit for three weeks now. And CK developed for some month or years...I wonder if we newbies can tell the developers something about an engigne that we have no clue of? If we can not help, what then is it for? ?(

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Wednesday, March 14th 2012, 7:34pm

Quoted from "XpennoKPA"

I really don't see what the problem is here. If Radley thinks that this is a real problem then let him post. I don't get the idea that on any forum that a post that the majority of people don't like, that everyone has to wade in and trash the thread. It sounds to me that Radley is trying to improve the product, why not try and keep the forum positive i.e. if you don't have anything to add to a thread then don't post in it? Just my £0.02.

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Wednesday, March 14th 2012, 9:07pm

I think it is fine to post a critique, discussion is good but it seems to be done over multiple threads. I just seems like a bit redundant.
The forum is not that big that we need the same topic over and over again.
I can see where it could come off as someone trolling when that may not be the OP's intent.
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Wednesday, March 14th 2012, 10:39pm

RE: The 'Foundational Sonics of the KPA' thread (officially sanctioned by CK)

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This thread is a chance for me and *anyone else* including Mr. Kemper, to speak their mind concerning the KPA. The idea here is not to simply complain, but to offer helpful suggestions to improve the product for everyone:

I will start with this observation: I believe the KPA is a very innovative product, with vast potential - for this reason it *will* be copied (the highest form of flattery), and it is important for the originators to stay ahead of the game.

My main issue with the KPA is not it's EQ matching abilities (they are excellent), nor it's current effects arsenal (they are limited, but adequate), nor it's Cab matching capabilities, but rather the basic nature/character of the main 'distortion engine' that is used to build all the different distortion and gain models when profiling. It simply doesn't sound/respond tubey enough - to my ears, it sounds/feels somewhere between a digital simulation and solid state, especially on the transients and attacks. There is a certain 'crackle and sputter' graininess that gives it away for me - I realize that the EQ & Cab matching is enough for many users, but I believe the *nature* of the distortion must become more analog/tubelike for the final result to be totally convincing. At $1800 US, this is certainly not a typical consumer item - it is one of the 'Mercedes in the world of Chevy' modelers - this means it must perform well enough for serious pros, along with everyone else. EQ matching alone is not enough in the recording studio - all the qualities must be there, or they start wheeling out the tube amps.... *DISTORTION Matching* is the weak link of the KPA (and many other modelers as well). IMHO, the KPA engine has not fully captured the essence of quality tube distortion in all it's glory and complexity....

And what say You? :rolleyes:


Some questions here:

Have you done your own profiles yet?
Have you refined them well?
Will you share them with us?

Who told you that the KPA is doing simple EQ matching only?

Have you used the deep amp parameters yet, such as Definition, Sag, Shape, Bias etc.?

CK

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Thursday, March 15th 2012, 12:52am

Guys ....the issues to me are not his comments about Kemper - but the fact this thread was started by a Fractal artist!

Seems very "troll-ish" that a person listed on Fractal's artist page is the same guy starting a thread about his personal shortcomings with the Kemper.

Just because he purchased a unit, doesn't change the fact he is on Fractal company website as an artist.

http://www.fractalaudio.com/artists.php

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"I love my Axe-FX… So much fidelity, amp goodness & processing power under one roof. The ‘sonic bar’ has been totally recalibrated by Fractal Audio!"

Very uncool in my opinion - and I hope this thread dies soon.

Stay frosty,
JEL

I seriously doubt that a Kemper artist (when that time comes) will be allowed to post a similar thread on the Fractal website about their issues with the Axe Fx. Never going to happen, nor should it here.

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Thursday, March 15th 2012, 1:41am

Quoted from "JEL"

Guys ....the issues to me are not his comments about Kemper - but the fact this thread was started by a Fractal artist!

Seems very "troll-ish" that a person listed on Fractal's artist page is the same guy starting a thread about his personal shortcomings with the Kemper.

Just because he purchased a unit, doesn't change the fact he is on Fractal company website as an artist.

http://www.fractalaudio.com/artists.php

Hadley Hockensmith
L.A. Studio Guitarist, Neil Diamond Band
"I love my Axe-FX… So much fidelity, amp goodness & processing power under one roof. The ‘sonic bar’ has been totally recalibrated by Fractal Audio!"

Very uncool in my opinion - and I hope this thread dies soon.

Stay frosty,
JEL

I seriously doubt that a Kemper artist (when that time comes) will be allowed to post a similar thread on the Fractal website about their issues with the Axe Fx. Never going to happen, nor should it here.

Hey JEL - you're not Gellin' with me bro... 8) Speaking of excess, I believe you have made the above point very clear in a number of threads now. I don't understand why you assume I have ulterior motives for purchasing & investing so much time with the KPA. I also spoke very honestly on the Fractal board when I first received my Ultra, and was also accused of 'stirring the pot' and being a troll! 8o My normal mode is to clearly speak my mind about things, but I do not post to simply 'stir the pot' here or anywhere else, and that's why I again request that any posts of mine deemed offensive 'be *DELETED*, and I will deal with any future issues 'amongst myself' 8o

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