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Saturday, March 17th 2012, 2:41pm

I like to lower or even shut off the noise gate, that gives me the feel I like.
I am never really expecting 100% real amp vibe, that is not why I got the Kemper, if it gets there cool.
For recording I do find it matches the vibe of when I am in the studio and my amp is miked and I am tracking with headphones on.
I play with just fingers a lot and I am getting the response I need.
It is not the same as when I am in the room with my amp but it is damm close.
I like the raw feel.
For chord work I feel no stiffness, for lead stuff on mild breakup is the only place I notice it fighting me back.
I am satisfied, and I know it will still keep getting better.
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Saturday, March 17th 2012, 2:41pm

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Hadley

It's not flaming, it's discussion.

Do you enjoy playing your 12 year old GS10 more than you enjoy playing your Kemper?
Which tone do you prefer to feel & play, one of your GS10 tones, or your Gibson Lancer that you Profiled?
If the sonic level of the Kemper is less than a GS10 then why would you want to keep the KPA?

The thing is.
You enjoy modding things, experimenting, think of all the amps/pedals you've modded over the years, do you have anything that's still stock 'standard'?
Not everyone would have modded their gear exactly the way you have over the years, your mods were made specifically to satisfy your ears, your fingers.

Basically, you want a modded Kemper.
You've requested at least a dozen or so changes/mods be made to the Kemper, beginning at the foundation.
Unfortunately for you the Kemper isn't a tube amp where you can open it up and change transformers, etc, and have someone or yourself perform all these mods...you need about 25 years of DSP coding experience to mod your KPA. :)
CK doesn't know how to please you, he has a thousand guys raving about the "Foundational sonics of the KPA", and one guy complaining that it's all wrong.

If you were CK what would you do, how would you please you? :)

Blessings & Shabbat Shalom!

Very nicely said Lance. The KPA is excellent - it does things that no other sonic device for guitar has done before. I am very grateful that Christoph takes the time to talk to us on this board, but I don't expect him to cater to me or anyone else - he has a great new product and it will probably change the direction of guitar processing as we know it! Now that I have decided to keep the Kemper, I am committed - none of my comments or critiques should be taken as a 'deal breaker', nor to dampen the natural excitement the KPA has created - it is well deserved. :thumbup:

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Saturday, March 17th 2012, 2:53pm

Well said Radley.
Hopefully it does keep getting better :thumbup:

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Sunday, March 18th 2012, 7:39am

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I'm more traditional.... :D


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Sunday, March 18th 2012, 10:55am

@Radley: Did you ever try an external distortion unit, like Mi Audio Crunch Box or Suhr Riot or similar, with a clean preset? The feeling of that combintation is so real! I love how Crunch Box or Riot combine with the stock 'Sultan' preset.

Maybe you should 'unload' your guitars pickups with any external booster/EQ/something like that to make the combination of guitar, cable and input analogue again? Try some stomps when you have them lying around, maybe that the trick for you?

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Sunday, March 18th 2012, 7:27pm

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@Radley: Did you ever try an external distortion unit, like Mi Audio Crunch Box or Suhr Riot or similar, with a clean preset? The feeling of that combintation is so real! I love how Crunch Box or Riot combine with the stock 'Sultan' preset.

Maybe you should 'unload' your guitars pickups with any external booster/EQ/something like that to make the combination of guitar, cable and input analogue again? Try some stomps when you have them lying around, maybe that the trick for you?

Thanks - I will try that. Have you not had similar luck using the KPA's overdrives into a clean amp rig?

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Sunday, March 18th 2012, 8:15pm

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@Radley: Did you ever try an external distortion unit, like Mi Audio Crunch Box or Suhr Riot or similar, with a clean preset? The feeling of that combintation is so real! I love how Crunch Box or Riot combine with the stock 'Sultan' preset.

Maybe you should 'unload' your guitars pickups with any external booster/EQ/something like that to make the combination of guitar, cable and input analogue again? Try some stomps when you have them lying around, maybe that the trick for you?

Thanks - I will try that. Have you not had similar luck using the KPA's overdrives into a clean amp rig?


The soundquality of the internal overdrives is quite good. There could be some more controls I think, but the sound is ok. But when you use the internals it would not help your request for a more realistic feeling, because then you are using the same input as always. When you use an external stomp the feeling changes a bit and gets (to my ears and fingers) more real, maybe because that part of the soundchain is just real gear and not digital. I was surprised a bit how good the kpa took the stomps and the sound and feeling was very real to me.
The only thing that is not working like in reality is a very loud boost, because you can run into clipping then, something that a tubeamp would not do. OK, that's maybe the point where it would be too much for a real amp anyway, at a certain point, you only get crap without dynamic with a real amp.

YMMV, as ever.

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Monday, March 19th 2012, 1:26am

I find many posts a bit confusing.
I will quote and answer them individually and hopefully we can find some points here.

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Monday, March 19th 2012, 1:28am

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Christoff - I am trying to be helpful. I am very impressed that the KPA can copy my show-tested presets from another modeler so well - it is a very handy function indeed! I profiled 3 more of my amps yesterday, and it's getting better and better. 8) (I guess I still don't understand why my requests for thread deletion have not been honored - they were not posted to create a 'kerfuffle'!)


How does it happen that it get's better and better?
You are learning to refine your modeling amp in a better way?

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Monday, March 19th 2012, 1:32am

RE: RE: The 'Foundational Sonics of the KPA' thread (officially sanctioned by CK)

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This thread is a chance for me and *anyone else* including Mr. Kemper, to speak their mind concerning the KPA. The idea here is not to simply complain, but to offer helpful suggestions to improve the product for everyone:



Take your favorite distortion pedal or overdriven amp - play something sensitive with your fingers - that's right, bare flesh on the strings (a la Jeff Beck). Listen to the way the attack translates into tone - now do the same on the Kemper with a similar gain patch. It is *not* the same - it is a different feel/response altogether. My 12 year old Boss GS-10 does it way better than this, and that is why I used it as an example. The KPA is a whole new generation with so many incredible new features - I just don't want to see us lose some of the most foundational aspects for building great tones...


Radley, do I get it right?
You take only modeling amps (Axe Fx, Boss) as a reference for evaluating and comparing the sound of the KPA?

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