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I agree with you. I raised this a few times in other threads in that although the profiled version of my amp may initially "sound" the same as the real amp, it certainly does not respond as well as the real amp. I find that when I play the real amp there is lots of reaction from the amp which makes for a "lively" playing experience. However, the profiled version of the amp lacks the same "liveliness" completely, unless of course you start using compression pedals, but I don't want to use a compression pedal because that then changes the sound completely.
what he said. this helps a bit. i also belong to the "still-missing-a-little-bit-of-true-amplike-response-crew", especially with extremely dynamic picking styles, as described by radley. stop beatin him for having a point here fellas... ;-)
Are you refering to your own profiles or factory/user profiles?
This thread is a chance for me and *anyone else* including Mr. Kemper, to speak their mind concerning the KPA. The idea here is not to simply complain, but to offer helpful suggestions to improve the product for everyone:
Take your favorite distortion pedal or overdriven amp - play something sensitive with your fingers - that's right, bare flesh on the strings (a la Jeff Beck). Listen to the way the attack translates into tone - now do the same on the Kemper with a similar gain patch. It is *not* the same - it is a different feel/response altogether. My 12 year old Boss GS-10 does it way better than this, and that is why I used it as an example. The KPA is a whole new generation with so many incredible new features - I just don't want to see us lose some of the most foundational aspects for building great tones...
Radley, do I get it right?
You take only modeling amps (Axe Fx, Boss) as a reference for evaluating and comparing the sound of the KPA?
Christoph - I am profiling much of my equipment (I have boat-loads!)with the KPA to find what gets the best results for my ear and touch. I have now profiled 6 of my own tube amps, and numerous modelers, preamps, and distortion pedals - this is all to get a feel for what the Kemper does best (for my particular sonic needs). The advantage of profiling my touring modelers is the obvious time I have put into the presets (pre-EQ, post-EQ distortion timbre, de-fizzing, etc) - this leaves the KPA EQ and Amp/Cab parameters available for additional tweaking - it's the overdriven touch and finesse that I can't duplicate yet...
Actually, I have a lot in the game - namely $1800 US Dollars, and I no longer entertain any ideas of returning my unit, thanks to a simple suggestion from my friend and tone giant, Bill Ruppert.
what he said. this helps a bit. i also belong to the "still-missing-a-little-bit-of-true-amplike-response-crew", especially with extremely dynamic picking styles, as described by radley. stop beatin him for having a point here fellas... ;-)
Are you refering to your own profiles or factory/user profiles?
i'm refering to my own profiles. don't get me wrong here, i'm still absolutely stunned what this little green box delivers and i wouldn't trade it for any true amp for what it does to me as complete package.
[ seriously, the only things i'm sort of missing are 3 things: a looper (i hope so much it could be done one day..) and a stomp pitch shift (octaver would be fine, whammy would be killer) and some fun-delays (reverse, swell, ...). this is just because i love this box so much and don't wanna carry anything else... erm, exept the even more convenient floor-version one day... ;-) ]
whishlist end. sorry. so: i'm referring to my own profiles, but still i imagine i can also feel the same thing with the other profiles. it's not as noticeable with normal plek-picking, but with when clearing up distorted profiles with the guitar-volume and rather dynamic finger picking it becomes more obvious: it does not "entirely" react like my amps. not bad in any way, but not the same either. it's very hard for me to find the right words in english, max twang tried and i think it hints in the same direction:
Actually, I have a lot in the game - namely $1800 US Dollars, and I no longer entertain any ideas of returning my unit, thanks to a simple suggestion from my friend and tone giant, Bill Ruppert.
Could you share this suggestion with us?
I've played with the deep amp parameters but I'm missing something in the 'feel' of pick responsiveness. The Definition parameter is in the ballpark, but I'm wondering if it would help to have the Definition parameter decrease as input voltage increases (less Definition with harder picking) and being able to set the sensitivity of this.
to me it sometimes feels similar to as if the noisegate would still be a bit "on", in spite of beeing dialed out to zero. so you could assume that i'm talking about some detailed parts of the compression and attack characteristics here. "give" and "bounce" are also blurred words that come to my mind.
i could say, that similarly slightest traces were also noticeable in the "sound" of my profiles, but it's so subtle, that i really don't care in most scenarios. it's just the last bit of "wood", "earth", "dryness" i can't get translated into numbers, but i'm propably just dreaming of the 192khz-and-0,5-ms-latency-kemper due in 5-10 years...
summary: we're absolutely not talking about dealbreakers here, it's just that it would be even unbelievably more überawesome if these last little traces of the slightest digital behaviour would be blurred to "not existent" even more.
thank you ck for this exiting chapter for us tone-nerds. A LOT!
I agree with you. I raised this a few times in other threads in that although the profiled version of my amp may initially "sound" the same as the real amp, it certainly does not respond as well as the real amp. I find that when I play the real amp there is lots of reaction from the amp which makes for a "lively" playing experience. However, the profiled version of the amp lacks the same "liveliness" completely, unless of course you start using compression pedals, but I don't want to use a compression pedal because that then changes the sound completely.
I would be interested in listening to an A/B comparison to your amp and the profile.
You should definetely get the same feel from the profile.
What amp model did you profile?
Did you refine it?
Please send an A/B audio file to our support hotline for me to listen.
This post has been edited 2 times, last edit by "JonG" (Mar 19th 2012, 6:39pm)