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Monday, March 19th 2012, 6:42pm

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The 'Foundational Sonics of the KPA' thread (officially sanctioned by CK)

Actually, I have a lot in the game - namely $1800 US Dollars, and I no longer entertain any ideas of returning my unit, thanks to a simple suggestion from my friend and tone giant, Bill Ruppert.

Could you share this suggestion with us?
I've played with the deep amp parameters but I'm missing something in the 'feel' of pick responsiveness. The Definition parameter is in the ballpark, but I'm wondering if it would help to have the Definition parameter decrease as input voltage increases (less Definition with harder picking) and being able to set the sensitivity of this.

Bill's suggestion was simple but effective - 'While you're still working to get exactly what you need from the standard amp profiles, just profile the tour-tested sounds from your present modelers...' This has worked surprisingly well, and somehow 'feels' better. ;) At times I get the feeling the KPA Amp could use a 'slew rate' parameter, which could effect the way the note attacks are felt & heard...

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Monday, March 19th 2012, 7:03pm

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The 'Foundational Sonics of the KPA' thread (officially sanctioned by CK)

Actually, I have a lot in the game - namely $1800 US Dollars, and I no longer entertain any ideas of returning my unit, thanks to a simple suggestion from my friend and tone giant, Bill Ruppert.

Could you share this suggestion with us?
I've played with the deep amp parameters but I'm missing something in the 'feel' of pick responsiveness. The Definition parameter is in the ballpark, but I'm wondering if it would help to have the Definition parameter decrease as input voltage increases (less Definition with harder picking) and being able to set the sensitivity of this.
just profile the tour-tested sounds from your present modelers
This has worked surprisingly well, and somehow 'feels' better. ;)

You know why?
Because your fingers are used to the feel of your tour tested modellers & tones.
The "surprisingly, and somehow feels better" part is the Kempers ability to reproduce that feel. :)

Now all you got to do is do some touring with your Kemper and after a couple of months your old modellers will 'feel' wrong. :D

I'll never forget the English soccer players at the 2010 World Cup in SAfrica.
They turned from geniuses in Europe to pathetic in SAfrica.
Why?
Because the Adidas ball used at the World Cup was a completely new ball, new design, new material, much lighter, they had never played with a ball like this before.
They lost all their feel & control of the ball, they said it felt all wrong, it flew to fast, it swerved in the air, they complained everyday until the went home.

You know what the German team did?
They played with the 'new design' ball for a year before the World Cup, they used it in their Bundesliga season...they never complained once during the entire World Cup, and they were brilliant. :D

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Monday, March 19th 2012, 11:31pm

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The 'Foundational Sonics of the KPA' thread (officially sanctioned by CK)


I'll never forget the English soccer players at the 2010 World Cup in SAfrica.
They turned from geniuses in Europe to pathetic in SAfrica.
Why?
Because the Adidas ball used at the World Cup was a completely new ball, new design, new material, much lighter, they had never played with a ball like this before.
They lost all their feel & control of the ball, they said it felt all wrong, it flew to fast, it swerved in the air, they complained everyday until the went home.

You know what the German team did?
They played with the 'new design' ball for a year before the World Cup, they used it in their Bundesliga season...they never complained once during the entire World Cup, and they were brilliant. :D
To use your analogy, the Kemper is supposed to capture the 'DNA' of my old ball. I shouldn't have to spend time getting used to a new ball.

Radley/Bill's suggestion points out the issue that other people's rigs tend to sound and feel awkward until we tweak them for ourselves (this isn't new to the KPA). Radley reports he is most comfortable with profiles of his gear as he sets it up, I'm most comfortable with profiles of my gear as I set it up. This shouldn't be a surprise as it supports Kemper's marketing claim that you can profile your gear as your like it!

But there is still an issue with attack response that some have reported in their own profiles? This could, in part, be related to why other people's rigs don't always 'feel' right? The solutions might be related.

To look at this constructively: Is there something in the feel and attack that could be addressed, improved and possibly parametrized that would allow the user to further tweak the 'feel' of their own and other's patches?

I was playing with the 'Clean Sens' and 'Distorted Sens' briefly this morning and these might be more powerful than just adjusting the relative level of clean and distorted patches.

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Monday, March 19th 2012, 11:38pm

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The 'Foundational Sonics of the KPA' thread (officially sanctioned by CK)




I was playing with the 'Clean Sens' and 'Distorted Sens' briefly this morning and these might be more powerful than just adjusting the relative level of clean and distorted patches.


they are! go for it!

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Monday, March 19th 2012, 11:39pm

@MaxTwang - I think you're mistaken, the KPA is designed to capture the "DNA" of a real amp, not of a modeler or anything else (it even says as such in the manual).

If your old "ball" is a real amp then fine, but if it's a modeller that doesn't react or act like a real amp then there's not much you can expect. The KPA isn't a 'sound like anything' device, otherwise you could link a couple of keyboards one sending out a sine wave the other a piano as the return and make your guitar sound like a piano, or an organ, or a train or anything else. it just ain't gonna happen. It's a 'sound like an amp' device, given that to my ears the KPA is the first modeller that actually does sounds like an amp then it's not surprising that profiling others probably wont work all that well.

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Tuesday, March 20th 2012, 1:11am

Just for clarification...

Just for clarification: I am saying that using this technique (profiling my other modelers & preamps) makes the attacks feel more natural to my touch, making the KPA more enjoyable for yours truly to use. As with other equipment, I do whatever it takes to get the feel that helps me to play & 'emote' most effectively - I try everything I can think of before I write any unit off. I prefer the sounds I hear on well-produced records, not so much the typical sound that comes from a standard miked amp.

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Tuesday, March 20th 2012, 1:13am

"just profile the tour-tested sounds from your present modelers...' This has worked surprisingly well, and somehow 'feels' better. At times I get the feeling the KPA Amp could use a 'slew rate' parameter, which could effect the way the note attacks are felt & heard..."

strange you are not making the connection about what you are used to and what is new. specially if after profiling your sound and modellers the kemper suddenly feels better.

have you tried adjusting the pick attack parameter?

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Tuesday, March 20th 2012, 1:27am

have you tried adjusting the pick attack parameter?

Are you joshing me? I spend at least 2 hours every day playing with every parameter available, trying to master what they can & can't do - also, there are certain parameter combinations that work better together than by themselves. Believe me, I have run this puppy through it's paces, and will continue to do so.... 8o

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Tuesday, March 20th 2012, 1:38am

I still believe my suggestion of adding a 'direct' mix parameter to the Amp section would help in achieving a more natural attack, but 'what do I know of love?'... 8o

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Tuesday, March 20th 2012, 2:17am

@MaxTwang - I think you're mistaken, the KPA is designed to capture the "DNA" of a real amp, not of a modeler or anything else (it even says as such in the manual).
I didn't say it was designed to capture anything but a real amp but I have read posts from users, including Kemper Pioneers and early adopters, who were very happy with profiles of modellers (even saying they liked the profile better than the actual modeller). If someone models something and likes it - good for them.


have you tried adjusting the pick attack parameter?
Yes, I find it emphasizes the sound of pick attack but doesn't help with feel.

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