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I agree with Reznos and and44.

Why should you share your profiles if other people are charging for them?

Saludos!
Paco

I think that freedom and respect are the main values.
If someone doesn't feel good about paying profiles should just say "no, i wouldn't pay", and stop it there. Argumentations are always welcome, but in a respectful discussion.
If someone else feels better about donation is free to express himself, and so on.

Everybody has a different approach: i think it is honest to ask for a contribution if he spends time and money on a certain activity. Sharing is welcome, as work (time+money) reward is.
I have never seen people complaining about IRs bundles from Redwirez or Ownhammer, even if you can find a ton of free and homemade IRs which sound great.

@ Okstrat: obviously you have to consider the fact that you have no way to protect your work. In this sense i think you might choose another approach.
a) First profiling session for free (just one amp or two, it's your choice)
b) before you make the second profiling session you fix the amount of donations you need to do that, when you join the target then you go for the session and upload the profiles for free.
c) so on.

It's basically the same approach that some forum communities have to get funds for surviving.
In this way you can mix an acceptable reward for you time and money with the classic approach of community.

Jimmy, Redwirez spent years developing there IR set. - they did it all, then tested..3 month beta test and so forth. - then went back and refined more to get things correct... and also gave the Paying public exactly what they wanted.. "Choice" - and also this is differnt to the KPA.

Spending a few days in a studio is not woth paying money for. - if he spent a few months crafting his art, giving us 10 differnt mic models of the same amp, and at various angles/degrees etc.. then yeah.. it will be worth it. - you can then say.. Ok this guy has spent the time over x months to deliver a solid product to sell. so for My money I get X Y and Z!..this is more complex than saying, hey I have a great mic. therfore I can charge folk.. but its not valid and thats the point why a lot of us are anoyed by it.

Becasue quality of mic pre's or quality of room does not come into effect with the KPA. we are paying for his mic choice, and HIS amp settings. - but JoeBloggs over there can easy hire a Royer121 mic for 10 dollers a day. and profile all his amps at home and upload them for free, with perhaps simular or better results.

There will always be free stuff in this community, thats how it works.. and how it SHOULD work given the fact that KPA wanted a share community.
But soon as a few folk start to charge others for the work involved, then it will all go downhill from there!.,
I mean if ya'll want the amps so bad. go hire them, there are a lot of vintage rentals for a cheap day ticket. and you can then profile it yourself with the settings YOU want instead of paying someone a bunch of cash for HIS settings and not yoru own.

Ok ive said enough on this subject. my thoughts are clear.
If he wants to do it. I cant stop him. free world etc.
Just its all too early for this to happen currently!

Quoted from "Jimmyno"

I have never seen people complaining about IRs bundles from Redwirez or Ownhammer, even if you can find a ton of free and homemade IRs which sound great.

It's true, but IRs work on a lot of hardware and software and Kemper profiles only work with the Kemper Profiling Amp. The KPA sales success depends on the availability of profiles and the community of profilers is very small compared to the IRs one.

In my opinion, selling profiles will reduce the quality of the free ones. The high quality of some of the free profiles now available is one of the reasons people buy and love this amp.

Saludos!

@ and44 and pacocito: you are right guys, but each of us gives a different price to his work and his time.
This may be a stupid example, but i think it suits well: you'll never complain to pay 3 € to buy a sandwich, even if you can do it by yourself in a few minutes and even if it would cost you less money. You buy it because you are hungry and because you don't have time to make one for yourself.
Obviously i'm glad to save money if someone else prepares it for me and for free.

In a community like this one it might be a failing idea to earn money by selling profiles, but obviously everybody is free to chose. Armin did it, i don't know how's going his business, somebody bought them, many others didn't and life has been fine anyway.

That's why i'm not talking about earning money, and his first post okstrat was talking about covering the costs for the studio and gear hiring.
I'm suggesting a different approach which sounds like this "ok guys, this is how i profile amps, if you want me to do other profiles, i need 100 €. If you make donations i will, if you don't i could do it anyway, but i cannot ensure it."

P.S.: are you sure that mic preamps will not influence the final result? I don't think so.

I will keep profiling multi thousand dollar amps and sharing them at no cost. The profiles are for me in the first place. I have made a few that I would never personally use because I know someone is searching for that sound and I am already set up. I love the flow of great tones and the way it is working right now. There are a few of my favorites that I would have never paid for, but really warmed up to them over time.

The Kemper sharing model is a very attractive attribute of this cool piece of gear, pay to play could really halt the forward movement. Just my 2c

Chad

Quoted from "and44"

Becasue quality of mic pre's or quality of room does not come into effect with the KPA.

I just want to set things straight here. Quality of mic pres actually does come into effect when profiling. Everything you put into the signal chain comes into effects when profiling.

I spent Saturday in a really nice studio demoing the KPA for the owner and we compared preamps when profiling. He set up a Two Rock amp micing it with one 421 on an Alnico Blue and another 421 on a GH-12 65. Then we switched preamps. We tried the SLL 9000 pres as well as both new and vintage Neve and a few other and they all brought different qualities to the sound.

Cheers,

Mats N

Quoted from "Mats_Nermark"

Quoted from "and44"

Becasue quality of mic pre's or quality of room does not come into effect with the KPA.

I just want to set things straight here. Quality of mic pres actually does come into effect when profiling. Everything you put into the signal chain comes into effects when profiling.

I spent Saturday in a really nice studio demoing the KPA for the owner and we compared preamps when profiling. He set up a Two Rock amp micing it with one 421 on an Alnico Blue and another 421 on a GH-12 65. Then we switched preamps. We tried the SLL 9000 pres as well as both new and vintage Neve and a few other and they all brought different qualities to the sound.

Cheers,

Mats N

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