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schneidas

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Thursday, April 26th 2012, 9:58pm

Quoted from "guitarnet70"

I do not see the sense of all this, but if you want to compare something you should take as a reference the original amp with the exact same setting and mic/mic placement, profile against tone matched.

this!

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jeddie

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Thursday, April 26th 2012, 11:02pm

So are you saying you can tone match the amp the same way you can profile an amp? I thought you would have to take your recorded profile and then tone match to that recording? Ehh nevermind I think I see what your saying record the actual amp and tone match to that recording. Compare that recording against a profiled recording! Bingo?

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guitarnet70

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Thursday, April 26th 2012, 11:12pm

I mean you should tone match the recording of the actual amp that has been profiled, recorded with everything exactly the same as during profiling, and not tone match the profile.

"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" Serghei Rachmaninoff

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guitarnet70

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Thursday, April 26th 2012, 11:13pm

Yes

"Music is enough for a lifetime, but a lifetime is not enough for music" Serghei Rachmaninoff

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jeddie

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Thursday, April 26th 2012, 11:14pm

Yep I got it! Curiousity is the only reason I would like to see it done. It won't change my thoughts on the kemper. May change my thoughts on the axe though!

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1fastdog

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Posts: 157

Location: Florida, USA

Friday, April 27th 2012, 12:01am

Quoted from "Radley"

All of you guys make very valid points and the input is always noted and appreciated. My situation has changed since that live video of Koinonia at Montreux (at least 25 years ago - yikes!), as well as the complexities of recording. I now tour with a large band for a famous artist and the demands tonewise are much more specific, and my (admittedly selfish) desire is to have it all in one reliable package - I must have a backup for every piece of kit I use onstage, so I try to keep it to a minimum (Foot controllers, Electric processors, Acoustic processors, Volume pedals, etc - the more you use, the more can go wrong). I realize I'm probably in the minority here, because most people attracted to the KPA are focused on the Amp & Cab results, which are obviously excellent. (btw: I have made some progress in getting the more natural, cushy attack that I prefer) Regardless, Mr. Kemper has started his own revolution with the KPA, and I hope he will be repaid with much success. Christoph for President?

I have no issue with what you want... it's a natural. The fact you have respect for the KPA and want to see it do more of what you want is absolutely a positive thing for my way of seeing things. There's nothing I have heard anyone want as a feature being "pissing and moaning". I would suppose CK reviews evey customer statement as worthy of review. < He certainly hasn't appeared shy in his willingness to respond as candidly as is good prudent business would dictate >.

I would like to see downloadable FX which could replace the built in FX to be more selectable to MY taste and needs. Perhaps it's possible. There's fx in there such as autowah and famous but less than my sort of distortion/od stomps that I juat have zero interest in. It doesn't disappoint me they are there, but they wouldn't have been my choices.

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viabcroce

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Friday, April 27th 2012, 12:31am

Quoted from "jeddie"

I would like to hear a axe clip tone matched to the kemper then we could really hear whether it's improved. I think this would be the ultimate test! So someone with both devices have at it and do a poll to see if people can pick what's what?!?

Hey Jeddie,
there's much more to an amp sound than tone alone: its dynamic, the way its sound changes depending on the fretboard section you're using...
Tone matching, as I see it, is a way to match the tone of an amp provided you are using a model of the same amp and you're just after the sound the artist is using on a specific tune. Tone-matching a Marshall track applying it to a Fender model won't give you the same sound. A single note might sound similar, but on phrasing and chording you'd perceive the different response each amp is characterized by.

Were it otherwise, a simple 32-band graphic equalizer would turn any amp in any other one, and Fractal should have just developed a single model and applied different EQs to generate any other.

Trivial considerations maybe, but it seemed they were worth it

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viabcroce

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Friday, April 27th 2012, 12:40am

Quoted from "Radley"

• Amp Compression = .1 (the smallest amount you can dial in, but it makes a considerable difference when you 'dig in')

Thanks Radley for your findings

To support your statement, I've come across this from my FSA (Forum Secret Archives). I'm afraid I can't say who wrote what tho :/

"The compressor in the amp section of the KPA works differently than any normal Compressor. I am not sure how it works internally but i guess that it just temporarily alters the binary data concerning volume and dynamics of the profile. Normally, a compressor would need to react on the input audio Signal. Because of this, a compressor always has some latency in its effect on the audio signal. The results of this can be audible as the typical compressor artefacts like the "snap" of longer attack time, distortion because of too small attack and release times, "pumping" or "breathing".
The KPA Amp compressor does not show these behaviours, in fact it works like a "perfect" compressor would react. It has no effect on the gain structure and it does not pump or breathe.
I use the compressor on every clean tone. You instantly get this beautiful warm tone even it this profile was rather harsh or thin. I never use it on hi gain rhythm, but sometimes for soloing.

I agree, the Compressor in the amp block is excellent, sounds awesome with any of the clean Profiles, it brings them to life".

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Radley

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Location: So Cal

Friday, April 27th 2012, 1:57am

I would also add: The more Amp compression you use, the more you should increase (+) the Pick parameter to maintain solid note attacks - this is especially true of high gain sounds. (imho)