Kemper Amps Forum

Interesting thoughts, hoth.

Well, what the KPA will for sure improve in the next months is its consistency, its bugs and so on. I don't really believe it will become "something else" tho. I may be completely off base here, but I think that when it was conceived it was not aimed at becoming the all-in-one solution. But I believe that the competition users have created between Axe and KPA will stimulate Kemper to evolve - at least partially - their original project.

The KPA and the Axe are actually two machines destined to different uses, each one addressing different needs.
I for one think that the KPA is the one for me: as I have written in another post, at the cost of an Axe here in Europe I can have a KPA and an rcf nx 12 sma, and I don't like the idea of getting lost in the cyberspace of parameters' menus XD

But I have something to say I have been thinking since the KPA actually hit the market: IMVHO, Kemper have made their worst mistake ever by announcing the KPA too early. I believe things have not gone as they expected and they had to postpone the release, but this has given almost one year to Fractal to implement new functions that - it's clear now - would have never been implemented otherwise. Probably nothing scared Eng. Chase in his life like the KPA announcement! LOL

Had KPA's release been announced one year later (and performed when it actually took place) the KPA would have had a much longer period of clear supremacy, and would have gone sold much more. This would have meant a lot, in terms of ROI, available resources, critical user-mass for conceiving other projects ect.

Now... let's see how things evolve

If Christoff is not intending on making the KPA the end-all, be-all machine, I hope he will consider selling/leasing his profiling process to other companies who would like to take it further towards 'Nirvana'. PS: I would find it hard to believe that 'the competition' are not already working on their own version of this technology....we'll see!

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If Christoff is not intending on making the KPA the end-all, be-all machine, I hope he will consider selling/leasing his profiling process to other companies who would like to take it further towards 'Nirvana'. PS: I would find it hard to believe that 'the competition' are not already working on their own version of this technology....we'll see!

define end all be all? the end all be all means different things for different people. for most engineers throught history, making the sounds most people are chasing with digital boxes, it means a great sounding amp, in a great sounding room, with the right mic to capture it. Then if needed eq and compression inside their recorder of choice.

for someone playing live, end all be all may mean an entirely different thing. I think most fractal people get all up in arms and even peeved, at the thought that hey, their axe fx isn't for everyone, like it for some reason should be the only product on market. fact is, fractal has steep competition, only all the hype and talk is what make fractals perceived value that much greater in some aspects.

I actually preffered my floorboard efx to those inside the axe fx. thought fractals sounded To high figh and not analog enough. who's right? for me its me.

for what I do, I just need a great sounding amp sound to tape. KPA has been that solution for me. I don't desire all sorts of processing or whatever inside the box. but thats me. So even if all different features are implemented, there will never be an end all be all to everyone involved.

glad fractal improved their modelling, cause honestly imo, they were behind.. in the end, use what you want, and care less about what people are saying or using.. make killer stuff.

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define end all be all?

'End-all, Be-all' would simply be an amazing Amp Profiler packaged inside an excellent effects package, capable of studio quality for both amp emulation and stereo effects. I realize the sentimental attraction of 'just a great guitar and amp', but it is not the reality of today - there really are more fish to fry, and the winners will always be looking for ways to improve their batter... :o)

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Quoted from "audioholic"

define end all be all?

'End-all, Be-all' would simply be an amazing Amp Profiler packaged inside an excellent effects package, capable of studio quality for both amp emulation and stereo effects. I realize the sentimental attraction of 'just a great guitar and amp', but it is not the reality of today - there really are more fish to fry, and the winners will always be looking for ways to improve their batter... :o)

says the guy asking how to mic up his amp and admiting he doesn't even know how to route stuff cause other people do it for him. haha

yes a good amp and room and mic IS the reality of today still. I don't care what you say Radely, we will never agree on this, and for some reason you think there is much more to the equation when it really starts with the basic sound source.

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Quoted from "Radley"

If Christoff is not intending on making the KPA the end-all, be-all machine, I hope he will consider selling/leasing his profiling process to other companies who would like to take it further towards 'Nirvana'. PS: I would find it hard to believe that 'the competition' are not already working on their own version of this technology....we'll see!

define end all be all? the end all be all means different things for different people. for most engineers throught history, making the sounds most people are chasing with digital boxes, it means a great sounding amp, in a great sounding room, with the right mic to capture it. Then if needed eq and compression inside their recorder of choice.

Exactly.

Ughhh.....

I think I will be buying the AXE II to go along with the Kemper. I really really love the Kemper and I will be patient with the development and I think in the long run it will win out, but I also want the advancements that are available with the AXE II now and in the future.

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Quoted from "Radley"

Quoted from "audioholic"

define end all be all?

'End-all, Be-all' would simply be an amazing Amp Profiler packaged inside an excellent effects package, capable of studio quality for both amp emulation and stereo effects. I realize the sentimental attraction of 'just a great guitar and amp', but it is not the reality of today - there really are more fish to fry, and the winners will always be looking for ways to improve their batter... :o)

says the guy asking how to mic up his amp and admiting he doesn't even know how to route stuff cause other people do it for him. haha

yes a good amp and room and mic IS the reality of today still. I don't care what you say Radely, we will never agree on this, and for some reason you think there is much more to the equation when it really starts with the basic sound source.

You just made a very perceptive statement - it truly does start with a basic sound source, but it doesn't END there! That's because there IS more to it, and even your favorite recordings involve more tweaking/processing than you might think. I have no desire to change your mind on this, but I do believe you are being overly simplistic and 'amp-centric' It is that wistful and dreamy world where Amps are worshiped like gods that I strive to avoid, because they were always only part of the big picture. Yes I want the KPA to become a fully-featured multieffects monster, and if Christoph doesn't do it, I will support whoever ultimately does...

Over and Out.

As. I have stated before Radley I have been a working professional engineer for a decade in various studios So trust me when I feel I have a grip on all the "more to it" you keep referring to. Am I all that? No but been doing professional audio for long enough and that is all I do not a hobbyist

Fact is the better the sound source the less you actually have to mess with it or do "more" to it. That includes pretty much any source. No different for guitar

I don't worship Amps. But the fact is amp modeling is trying to do what? Um sound like an amp. Willing to bet that most people's favorite recordings to this day are done with. Um. Amps. So yeah good amp sounds pretty much kick ass. That's never gonna change.

Unless u are using something like the axe fx for efx only, it's still trying to Mimick the sound of a real amp. Te convenience of these are multiple sounds in a box and ease of not having to constantly mic up stuff.

When I play live I do love efx. And sometimes lots of them. I use what I like. Never will I expect one box to be the end all. Much like we have multiple guitars. Each one does something speciall

The end all for Radley may not be my end all.

Audioholic,

I have a lot of respect for you and the impressive clips you have shared both here and on the Gear Page - this is nothing personal, only a simple disagreement on the importance of post-processing on modern guitar sounds, that's all....