Kemper Amps Forum

Quoted from "audioholic"

The end all for Radley may not be my end all.

Exactly, and that's why we need as much variety and potential in our processor as possible - not only can we make the amp & cab sound perfect, but also the proper effects and ambiance to add the proper icing to the cake, whatever the chosen flavor. I can't tell you how many times a smiling engineer has promised to add special reverb or delay to a dry part during the mixdown, but it rarely happens - if you want the effect to be there, provide it live while you are recording - you will save the engineer some work, and yourself some embarrassment when you hear the finished product.

Hadley

I don't hear many multi FX here just brilliant guitar playing and a great guitar tone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edJzunPtzbU&feature=fvsr

Teach me to play like this, it's world class stuff.

Quoted from "Radley"

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Quoted from "Radley"

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I'd rather Kemper concentrate on the amp side. You will never get the best effects integrated into a one in all device. If you want the best, get a Eventide H8000 and put it in your's KPA's loop.

The eventide 'factor' pedals are really nice too.
Im running an eclipse at home and have all 4 factor pedals.
IMHO the axefx doesn't get close to them...
My live rig at present is a TS09, evh wah and phase 90, mxr flanger, KPA with eventide pitchfactor in the loop.
Still cheaper than the axefx2, and certainly much better to me.
Never found a proper replacement for those before amp stomps on anything digital, so,for me the axefx 1 or 2 was never a complete solution anyway.
Liked the amp and cab models, but preferred the KPA for that.
Not too keen on either axe fx or KPA drives/stomps or phasers/flangers in front of the 'amp'
Like the other axefx effects but much preferred the eventide ones which IMHO just sound much better.

I think most modeller units in the history were always pack with a lot of FXs just to mask the simple fact they were not able to reproduce a satisfying tube amp tone. The appealling of the deal was "Hey you have everything in one box!", but for me it was even not thru because I've always used a lot of stomp boxes with modelers i owned ( yes even with AFX ).

So, now that modelling and profiling can create really convincing tube amp tones there would be no shame to sell a totally stripped down modelling units with only preamps, amps and cab simulations then we can use the FXs stomps we prefer.

I think they should offer the choice of one stripped down box and one full FXs box to customers as they prefer it.

Pierre

Quoted from "sheguitarplayer"

The eventide 'factor' pedals are really nice too.
Im running an eclipse at home and have all 4 factor pedals.
IMHO the axefx doesn't get close to them...
My live rig at present is a TS09, evh wah and phase 90, mxr flanger, KPA with eventide pitchfactor in the loop.
Still cheaper than the axefx2, and certainly much better to me.
Never found a proper replacement for those before amp stomps on anything digital, so,for me the axefx 1 or 2 was never a complete solution anyway.
Liked the amp and cab models, but preferred the KPA for that.
Not too keen on either axe fx or KPA drives/stomps or phasers/flangers in front of the 'amp'
Like the other axefx effects but much preferred the eventide ones which IMHO just sound much better.

I think the Axe II (standard and Ultra for that matter) effects are stellar. When you start comparing them to Eventide...thats a compliment to the Axe.
6.0 is awesome . It really is good. Come into my studio... you wont be able to tell the difference between the AXE the KPA or a real tube amp.
You guys are not doing KPA any favors by comparing those products. Thats probably is what keeps most people on the fence about either.

Quoted from "Radley"

Quoted from "audioholic"

The end all for Radley may not be my end all.

Exactly, and that's why we need as much variety and potential in our processor as possible - not only can we make the amp & cab sound perfect, but also the proper effects and ambiance to add the proper icing to the cake, whatever the chosen flavor. I can't tell you how many times a smiling engineer has promised to add special reverb or delay to a dry part during the mixdown, but it rarely happens - if you want the effect to be there, provide it live while you are recording - you will save the engineer some work, and yourself some embarrassment when you hear the finished product.

Rarely record efx while laying Diwn part unless it's essential pedals to the sound. If u do record parts with efx like delay and verb. You can't go and adjust levels or efx and u are stuck with them. Not very ideal mostly. Like most of the efx I have inside pt anyway and I can adjust just the right amount come mix time.

I would take a long time engineers advice about efx levels over a guitarists idea of efx levels pretty much mostly But thats just my experience

I agree with viabcroce statement:

"The KPA and the Axe are actually two machines destined to different uses, each one addressing different needs. "

and also the fact that the KPA is most usable with minor tweak and the cost is very lower too...

Quoted from "Guitartone"

Hadley

I don't hear many multi FX here just brilliant guitar playing and a great guitar tone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edJzunPtzbU&feature=fvsr

Teach me to play like this, it's world class stuff.

Finally, I'm without words for such a performance of Radley here, hats off ... KPA, AXE or real Amp, the hands are the hands ...

Quoted from "audioholic"

Quoted from "Radley"

Quoted from "audioholic"

The end all for Radley may not be my end all.

Exactly, and that's why we need as much variety and potential in our processor as possible - not only can we make the amp & cab sound perfect, but also the proper effects and ambiance to add the proper icing to the cake, whatever the chosen flavor. I can't tell you how many times a smiling engineer has promised to add special reverb or delay to a dry part during the mixdown, but it rarely happens - if you want the effect to be there, provide it live while you are recording - you will save the engineer some work, and yourself some embarrassment when you hear the finished product.

Rarely record efx while laying Diwn part unless it's essential pedals to the sound. If u do record parts with efx like delay and verb. You can't go and adjust levels or efx and u are stuck with them. Not very ideal mostly. Like most of the efx I have inside pt anyway and I can adjust just the right amount come mix time.

I would take a long time engineers advice about efx levels over a guitarists idea of efx levels pretty much mostly But thats just my experience

It's a disagreement and a good area of discussion. First off, I'm happy for the Axe 2 owners if they are happy with the latest update. It doesn't shake my confidence in what I prefer to be excited for someone else's joy.

Having split my time as a front of house sound engineer/studio producer and guitar player/songwriter, my opinion fall more toward audioholic's when it comes to all in one solutions for basic tone and fx processing. The overdrive /distortions in the KPA don't do it for me, however, their "real life" counterparts never did it for me. The autowah stuff doesn't wind my watch and neither do such doodads as actual pedals. I havn't owned or use a wah pedal since 1970... their cool, but not destined to be what I want... if that changed? I'd buy a good one and put it in front of the KPA... It doesn't bother me that it's in the box, but I wouldn't miss it either. What the KPA has that's pretty good for live is some of the 'verbs, the eq's, some of what the compressor does, but the comp is not as versatile as a multiband compressor by any means. What drew me to the KPA was the fidelity of the guitar amp profiling. Without that, it's a moot point for me. No amp tones that satisfy me? No sale. That's what kept me away from modeler's and software solutions until now. A product's viability about what will make someone part with their hard earned money does matter in business. In guitar gear, many are persuaded to buy based on how much a doodad will do for them. Having been around guitar and fx, being involved in the cutting edge of live production as well as studio? One size fits all stuff is not there... at least not there when it comes to every feature being "perfect".

DSP has a sidecar of latency penalties that comes along for the ride. More latency IS a big negative for a guitar amp's enjoyment and usability factor. Being able to construct a setting with all the fx and goodies is a nice paradygm. For me, the decisions made can be terrific as a standalone sound, BUT, chances of that contruction fitting perfectly in a full mix is not impossible, but damned rare. Even seemingly wise choices can prove not so wise in the results. In the context of the whole.

The KPA got me to open my wallet based on the AMP sound capability because that is my deciding factor. Other's have their must have list, and I have mine. I get the opposing viewpoint. The validity is personal. Always has been, always will be.

Quoted from "steeldragon72"

Ughhh.....

I think I will be buying the AXE II to go along with the Kemper. I really really love the Kemper and I will be patient with the development and I think in the long run it will win out, but I also want the advancements that are available with the AXE II now and in the future.

Same here. I have both, and love both. I see them as different tools, and the more tools the better. The foot controller took the axe2 to pro level for me. Before that, it was good, but with it-over the top. I hope to see the same from kemper. Anyone stuck a Matrix GM50 in the back of a KPA yet? Kinda curious if it fits and what it sounds like. I like the small-head form factor of the KPA. The axe2/matrix in the 4U is bulky, so the KPA is my grab and fly rig. Looking for alternatives to the EHX pedal thing. It works, I just want a little more power on tap(headroom)
http://matrixguitaramplification.com/products/gm50/