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Wow, very nice.

Quoted from "musicman65"

The key to all these questions is a document that shows the NRPN mapping. We need Timo to understand we are interested in having this so he will work on getting it.

bd

I am just a noob at midi, but if we get the NRPN info from Timo, would I be able to control all available effect parameters, with a KM Soft Step foot controller, and the
MIDI Solutions Event Processor Plus?
The Soft Step looks like a great controller, seeing as it is software programmable, plus you can use any of the foot pads as pedals, and it's small, and light.
But, it won't be worth it, if I don't have midi access to all parameters.

NRPN is just a protocol that uses normal MIDI CCs. The controllers 98,99,100,101 plus 6 and 38 are used for it. If your board can send more than 4 controllers sametime, you can control the parameters.
Timo

Quoted from "timo"

NRPN is just a protocol that uses normal MIDI CCs. The controllers 98,99,100,101 plus 6 and 38 are used for it. If your board can send more than 4 controllers sametime, you can control the parameters.
Timo

Quoted from "musicman65"

Timo, how's the NRPN document coming along? And thanks for clarifying that NRPN is just 4 to 6 CC commands in series. Most of the MIDI floorboards I have researched are not flexible enough to send that many CC's or can't embed the data in the correct CC sequence. If you know of a unit that can do this, I would greatly appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks,

bd

Quoted from CK, in this thread.



Wednesday, May 2nd 2012, 7:18pm


"You might have overlooked that we have a midi implemenation for pedals already.

And you are right, we invite everybody to use the pedal that fits the best, especially if other equipment is to be controlled aside from the KPA. Many users do that already.

I don't see remote pedals as our core business, this is why we want to keep it small, simple proprietary, thus affordable. Saying that, we have no initial plans to support programming of generic midi messages for other devices, as that is the focus of the great generic pedals.

It would be great if some other companies that focus on remote pedals would make a pedal fit for digital amps with bidirectional communication, to show proprietary display contents such as tuner or rig name.
I guess some amp companies would collaborate.
If that was the case I would probably step back from making our own pedal, cause there is more to do.

But I have got no call from another company.
I wonder why nobody has started a business for a next generation remote pedals yet. It's not rocket sience.

CK"

So, if CK is in favor of us searching out other foot controllers, in order to free him up to concentrate on the KPA itself, then we need the full documentation of NRPN #'s and their corresponding parameters so we can make full use of our foot controller of choice, Yes?
Plus, maybe I misunderstood some other posts by CK, but I am not sure that the Kemper Floorboard will give us programmable control of all parameters, so the only way to achieve this may be what we are discussing here.

I don't know. I am feeling my way on this.

I understand, if there are additional effects coming up, and they don't want to release this document, until all the assignments are finalized.
I also understand, if they don't want to answer my questions yet, so as to not give anything away, that may be coming.

I am in no desperate hurry for a foot controller, so if the Kemper Floorboard will allow me to program, foot controlled, effect parameter changes, I may just wait, but if not, then I would like to get a foot controller + the Event Processor.


So, maybe someone could just answer that last question. Will the proposed Kemper Floorboard be able to do what we are discussing here?

Please forgive my non-technical language, and thank you, in advance to anyone who gets what I am saying here.

Quoted from "musicman65"

imall41,

well put! Another option I found today and was also posted on the forum by another forum member is the Gordius Little Giant family of MIDI foot controllers. They can send any length and costruct of MIDI string so NRPN is no problem.

I am glad to hear CK is willing to help others interface MIDI pedals and hope we get a document soon! Even if its a working document

Thanks, again bd,

I have been aware of the Gordius line for some time, and the apparent fact that it will send a midi string is great news, but the Soft Step is still more appealing to me, mostly because I would not need any additional foot pedals, plus size, and weight, as previously mentioned.
Even with having to purchase the Event Processor, and the Midi Expander, for the Soft Step, the cost is approx $300 less than the Gordius.

Well, It's a work in progress, and I always learn a lot along the way(-:
No such thing as problems, only solutions .

==

Here's a good MIDI footcontroller comparison table

http://g-force.info/midiboard_comparison.htm


In the old days (1995) the Digitech PMC-10 MIDI footcontroller was king - as each of its 10 pedals could be programmed to send multiple user created MIDI strings of any type to 16 different MIDI channels.
http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/PMC10/PMC10.html
There is an Editor for it too


http://www.creepingfog.com/sean/pmc/
http://www.creepingfog.com/sean/pmc/raym…mondVersionInfo


Today, the FCB-1010 with third party "UNO" software is a very attractive alternative

http://www.mtnsys.com/faq-fcb/UnO%20Firmware.htm
A couple Win PC Editors support the UNO equipped FCB-1010:
http://www.mtnsys.com/faq-fcb/PCEditorBeta.htm
http://www.ripwerx.com/GettingStarted.html

The same dude who the developed the free UNO firmware has developed his own line of MIDI foot controllers the Gorduis Little Giant: (but IMHO they are costly here in the USA)
http://www.gordius.be/


And the FCB-1010 lacks the expansion abilities to support more than the two built in Expression pedals.


The Yamaha MFC-10 is attractive:

http://www.yamaha-europe.com/yamaha_euro…FC10/index.html

Supports one internal and Four external assignable SW/Exp Pedals.

And is a favorite with Ableton Live users.

and the Nobels MF2 is interesting.
http://godlyke.com/shopping/pgm-more_inf…page_num=1&=SID

There was the Rolls MidiWizzard - but it was poorly built and tended to self destruct.


The newer products are here:

http://www.liquid-foot.com/





It seems many Keyboard controllers can be used for NRPN message transmission. Novation X-Station and Edirol PCR types come to mind.