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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 10:00pm

Well, one thing I've been keeping an ear out for is the "always on" soft clipper that CK mentioned to me at one point. There really isn't a perfect level of cleanliness to be had supposedly even [if] your rig is the profile of a straight wire.
-djh
It would be good if the soft clip could be turned on and off. With soft clip always on, it's seems impossible to accurately profile a tube DI, or a Neve 1073 for instance, without the KPA adding its own soft clipping effect. To be able to profile the character of such devices would be rather nice.


The soft clipping is only taking effect in the last 6 db of the digital headroom. The rest is linear. This is a common technic, as you probably know.

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 10:01pm

We should have a section on the forum called 'Engineering & Audio Scientists'. :thumbdown:

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Thursday, June 7th 2012, 10:47pm

Hmm, I'm definitely still hearing this sound/effect when playing around F#5 (14th on top E/19th on B) to B6 on the wet queen patch. Just disable the reverb and delay to hear it clearly on the Wet Queen patch.

Here's a clip showing the problem using firmware 1.0.9 : http://www.per-anders.net/general/aliasing120607_fw109.aif

First section is using a humbucker, secong using a piezo. You'll have to turn it up to hear the compression artifact clearly, but it sounds like a ballbearing rolling in the bg, or a phasey harmonic.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 12:35am

here“s a clip with the noisy attack pretty evident:
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The profile is one of the latest Cobra profiles, gain maxed.
I usually do not max the gain, but this way you can clearly hear the aliasing. If you lower the gain, the noise diasappears step by step, but is still audible in a gain range I would dial in for a contemporary modern metal riffing sound.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 1:11am

Hey guys..................DON'T USE THOSE PROFILES IF THEY SOUND BAD.

There fixed. :rolleyes:

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 1:14am

As I have announced earlier in another thread, we have addressed aliasing problems for the distortion stomps. In 1.09 they have the same quality as the amp itself. Before 1.09 there were no changes.
A system reset will not have an effect.
CK, that is interesting, because when I turned off everything (amp, eq, and cab), the distortion stomps seem very pure and almost totally free of aliasing by themself, and yet you say that "In 1.09 they have the same quality as the amp itself"--so if that's true, then shouldn't the amp be as aliasing-free as the distortion stomp? And, do you believe that you can overcome the amp aliasing in firmware eventually?

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "miles" (Jun 8th 2012, 1:23am)


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Friday, June 8th 2012, 2:32am

It's dependent in the gain. The amp allows much more gain than the stomps, and more gain than most tube amps. Where is your gain set to?

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 3:31am

It's dependent in the gain. The amp allows much more gain than the stomps, and more gain than most tube amps. Where is your gain set to?
I have noticed the aliasing in the higher note register with nearly the entire range of gain in the KPA, from low to high from any profile, by any author. I have been profiling for the last several days, and when I A/B my source amp and KPA profile, it's very evident. Even if the aliasing is not jumping out at you, it kind of floats around in the background, almost subliminally.
I imagine that the sine sweep test by dhodgson would have likely demonstrated the noise with almost any amount of gain.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 4:17am

It's dependent in the gain. The amp allows much more gain than the stomps, and more gain than most tube amps. Where is your gain set to?
I have noticed the aliasing in the higher note register with nearly the entire range of gain in the KPA, from low to high from any profile, by any author. I have been profiling for the last several days, and when I A/B my source amp and KPA profile, it's very evident. Even if the aliasing is not jumping out at you, it kind of floats around in the background, almost subliminally.
I imagine that the sine sweep test by dhodgson would have likely demonstrated the noise with almost any amount of gain.


No, by physics the distortion aliasing level is a function of gain.
Hodgsons sine sweeps were high gain only.
I can easily create noticable aliasing on many modelers with sine sweeps.

Some stated to hear aliasing with clean guitar sounds. Yet to be demonstrated.

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Friday, June 8th 2012, 5:10am

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This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "mikeb" (Jun 17th 2012, 12:59am)