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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 5:00pm

It does not sound like digital aliasing to me but something else. Do you get the same noise with the noise gate disabled?


Yes, the noise gate doesn't make any difference.

The reason I'm calling it 'aliasing' is because Kemper told me that there were aliasing issues on the distortion stomps that will be fixed on the next firmware update, however, the nature of the amp noise sounds almost exactly like the stomp noise to me, but Kemper says its "something different". I did a test where I turned off everything but the dist stomp, heard the "aliasing" noise, then turned off the stomp and turned on the amp and heard the same noise--which I am referring to as 'aliasing' due to its similarity. Just a coincidence?
So, if it is true that the stomp "aliasing" will be fixed, then that's great, but, if according to Kemper, this "wind howling" really is different in regards to the amp profile, then it concerns me a bit as to whether it's fixable in firmware--after all, the amp profile is what likely consumes most of the processor's horsepower.
I don't want to overstate or seem alarmist about this, because the KPA is seriously rocking my studio right now, but a precision, pro unit like this deserves the scrutiny.

By the way, does anyone know the bit depth and sample rate of the KPA? (A reasonably high resolution is desired).

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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 5:09pm

wait.. sorry I obv didnt read the first post correctly, this is only on stomps? - IF so then this will explain why I not heard it, as I dont ever use the Built in stomps.. : )

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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 5:09pm

I hear this type of thing via SPDIF any my EMU sound card, the SPDIFs are incompatible in my case, I just switch over to the XLR outs and I am fine. No high end digital aliasing.


I too am using the analog outs--I'm curious, if you tried a test similar to mine it would seem that you should experience the same thing. I assume you listened to my sound file and heard the noise? It is subtle.

I have a second KPA coming here in a few days, and will of course be A/B-ing to be sure.

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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 5:15pm

IMO, it is most apparent on the high gain stomps.

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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 5:20pm

Another fellow dropped me a PM regarding this thread: Is this not the same Aliasing, Pulsing, Numerical noise issue that have popped up 1 month ago and has been solved?

There are a couple of threads already, GeneAndEddy was the guy IIRC..... Search for "Numerical Noise" or "Aliasing" and you'll find it
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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 5:39pm

Another fellow dropped me a PM regarding this thread: Is this not the same Aliasing, Pulsing, Numerical noise issue that have popped up 1 month ago and has been solved?

There are a couple of threads already, GeneAndEddy was the guy IIRC..... Search for "Numerical Noise" or "Aliasing" and you'll find it

The issue I raise has clearly not been resolved, as I have the latest firmware, and the acknowledgement of Kemper. I guess the answer is no.

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Tuesday, May 15th 2012, 9:41pm

this "suffocating alien" noise on high notes is there in almost every hi gain profile....not good! :thumbdown:

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Wednesday, May 16th 2012, 1:37am

this "suffocating alien" noise on high notes is there in almost every hi gain profile....not good! :thumbdown:

Great description, "suffocating alien"! If you play the same high notes with a clean sound (preferably with 'phones on and listening very closely), the noise has more of an atonal drone compared to the high gain noise which modulates a little bit--they both are related to the same issue, I imagine. It is probably the only reminder sound-wise that it's a digital device that otherwise sounds nearly analog.

I'm super-curious how and when they can remedy this--best of luck to them!

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Wednesday, May 16th 2012, 1:49am

huh, never noticed that sound yet.... is it just with stomps? I don't ever use stomps

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Wednesday, May 16th 2012, 1:54am

stomps (boost, dist) support this phenomenon, but it quite evident on hi gain profiles without any stomps.