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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 2:56am

Is the Kemper overkill for me???

Been lurking a while on the forum and this is my first post. First of all, I AM AMAZED at what I've seen about the Kemper. I am definitely in the camp of how this equipment will revolutionize a guitar player's sound/flexibility. Also, I dig the vibe on the Kemper forum. I think that forums are a great way to get a feel for what a product is all about.
I'm not a professional musician...not even a Weekend Warrior...more of a Holiday Hack. I love music, have been playing keyboards for 25+ years and guitar for about six months aftter emerging from deep hibernation on it (played for about 3 years in the late 90s/early 2000s). Just got a Les Paul Studio (love this guitar - satin finish) and play about an hour a day. I love tone. Doesn't matter if it is from a piano, hi-fi speakers, car audio, or a guitar amp. This is a major draw for me to the Kemper. I know that great tone will exponentially increase my enjoyment of the instrument as well as the amount of time I will play it. I have experienced this with several pianos.
With that said, I will probably play through headphones 80% of the time. So, as the the subject of this post states..."is the Kemper overkill for me???". In other words, will the headphones allow me to fully experience the awesomeness of the Kemper? Of course I'd be using top quality headphones. I'm not conerned about the price. I just want to make sure that it will deliver the goods.
Thx in advance for any input!

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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 3:20am

I've been playing guitar for about 32 years, though I have to say the last 10 years or so I've been focusing on my career outside of music (user interface design) which has made me more than a bit rusty, but like you I'm also a lover of great sound. That can come from many places, synthesizers also occupy a lot of my musical time. Some weeks I can squeeze in 5-6 hours of play time, but often it's less. Depends on work and basic life. For a long time I thought, "Amp modelers are good enough for my needs and the flexibility is awesome." It was true too. There are great sounds to be had these days in the better amp modelers, there's no doubt about that. We live in an awesome time! :thumbup:

I always felt there was a special something... not in all guitar tones, but in some of my favorite types, that I don't get out of amp modelers I've tried including the Axe FX. Until the Kemper I figured this was the price you paid for a tube amp. By price I mean, the volume, mic'ing issues, limitations and flexibility. So, while I didn't have the cash for an Axe FX... I found the cash for the Kemper. So if you have it and want the best tech available, I think you know the answer.

Now, could you be happy without it? Sure. There are some monster tones in Amplitube and S-Gear at a fraction of the price. Here's why I say get it though. Since I've purchased it I yearn to get back to it like I've not yearned to play in a long, long time. Good gear, as you probably already know, is a joy to play and can inspire you like nothing else. If money's not an issue, why not? My guess is that it will hold it's value for a pretty good run so if you tire of it you can always sell it. You can also use it to beef up synth tones as well. Also, until I had the Kemper I was always on the look out for something "new" in the world of amp simulators. Since I got it I have no more G.A.S. for guitar gear. IK released a special new pack that's supposed to be great, but I couldn't care less about it.. in fact, I sold my Amplitube 3 license.

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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 3:31am

I'm like you, a guitar hobbyist. The Kemper when I bought it, was a bit more than I needed. I already had an eleven rack, and, for all intents and purposes , it is plenty of bang for the buck. There isn't anything I couldn't do with the 11R, especially for my skill level.
However, I was still chasing "The tone" in my head. I heard and reviewed the 'space lunch box' as in depth as I could. I was too damned intrigued! I purchased it, and for the first time after using modelers, I felt like I was playing through a real amp, thousands of them! My feeling now is, I will be playing for the rest of my life, I'm glad I made the one-time investment.
So your answer may be: the Kemper may be overkill for you now, but after you've spent the time learning to use all of the bells and whistles, and progressing with it, you might find it really is- all you'll ever need.

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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 4:50am

RE: Is the Kemper overkill for me???

"is the Kemper overkill for me???".
Hi stompman,
the way I see it is that I do not need a justification or a rational reason for buying something that gives me joy! I just can't see any reason in it :)

If you like the idea, and can afford it, and are going to "pay" in person (don't know: no more cinemas for a year, rather than no more buffalo mozzarella...)... well, go for it!
I don't think you're going to get better tones for your headphones with any other solution (provided the HP are well-coupled with the device of course).

PS: welcome! :thumbsup:

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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 5:21am

RE: Is the Kemper overkill for me???

I'm not concerned about the price. I just want to make sure that it will deliver the goods.
It WILL deliver "the goods", rest assured. :D

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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 5:54am

Oh yes, good headphone will let you fully experience the awesomeness... It is actually where it shine.

The only problem of the Kemper is the insanely large amount of awesome profile available :)

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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 6:18am

Hmm... Y..es, yes, yes indeed, definitely, in fact I'm certain of it, it is overkill...



...so what's the problem again? :D

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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 7:35am

Thx for all the replies! Much appreciated!!

I am as steeldragon72 says above - "chasing the tone in my head". But I also don't want to noodle away on a processor for hours to try and get there (which is why I like the Kemper - it really seems to be built for players not tweakers).

One of my favorite guitar tones right now is Pete Loeffler from Chevelle. I've researched his rig a bit and he really doesn't appear to use a whole lot of effects. Basically a solid Mesa Mark IV tone with a bit wrapped around it. I think his PRS pickups are even stock. That is inspiring and I think shows how good of a tone you can get out of the right rig setup. Anyway, rest assured that if (most likely when) I get the Kemper, I'll be downloading all the Mark IV tones I can find :thumbsup: And of course I'll be happy to upload any "tweaked" tones I create if users upload these types of tones as well as "new" profiles. To me the rig exchange is a huge benefit of the Kemper vs. others with preloaded tones where most of the preloaded tones simply don't fit a specific users needs.

As a side note, I looked at some mini tube amps for a while, but once I realized how much the tone suffers through a digital out (e.g., for headphones) and how expensive it is to buy a quality speaker simulator that will put the proper load on the amp my search ended rather abruptly. Not to mention the fact that I would have to live with a specific range of tones for the forseeable future from a single amp.

Again, thx for sharing your thoughts!

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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 9:36am

no more cinemas for a year, rather than no more buffalo mozzarella...
:D :D :thumbsup:
I definitely agree!!!
Keep getting your Mozzarella di Buffalo (the cheaper cow's milk Mozzarella sucks!) but cut back on the cinema!
(Oh man! Italians and Greeks always think with their stomachs!)
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Wednesday, June 27th 2012, 9:52am



I am as steeldragon72 says above - "chasing the tone in my head". But I also don't want to noodle away on a processor for hours to try and get there (which is why I like the Kemper - it really seems to be built for players not tweakers).

One of my favorite guitar tones right now is Pete Loeffler from Chevelle. I've researched his rig a bit and he really doesn't appear to use a whole lot of effects. Basically a solid Mesa Mark IV tone with a bit wrapped around it. I think his PRS pickups are even stock. That is inspiring and I think shows how good of a tone you can get out of the right rig setup. Anyway, rest assured that if (most likely when) I get the Kemper, I'll be downloading all the Mark IV tones I can find :thumbsup: And of course I'll be happy to upload any "tweaked" tones I create if users upload these types of tones as well as "new" profiles. To me the rig exchange is a huge benefit of the Kemper vs. others with preloaded tones where most of the preloaded tones simply don't fit a specific users needs.

As a side note, I looked at some mini tube amps for a while, but once I realized how much the tone suffers through a digital out (e.g., for headphones) and how expensive it is to buy a quality speaker simulator that will put the proper load on the amp my search ended rather abruptly. Not to mention the fact that I would have to live with a specific range of tones for the forseeable future from a single amp.

Again, thx for sharing your thoughts!
Every tone I've ever imagined is in the Kemper, and some that I never imagined were possible. (listen to the clip)
If you can afford the price then it's an easy decision, buy it.

IMO, use your Kemper through any set of studio monitors rather than headphones, it sounds great through headphones, but no guitar amp deserves to be played & judged through headphones.

Listen to this clip through expensive headphones and then listen to it through cheap studio monitors...you'll see what I mean. :)
http://soundcloud.com/jayapala/folk-song-kpa-d-clone-demo-dt