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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 2:41pm

MACKIE Onyx 1220i analog mixer and the KEMPER - good fit? - S/PIDF or LiNE IN

Hi everyone,

I was thinking of maybe getting a mixer for my small home recording studio setup. I was considering ditching my current Presonus 1818vsl interface which is giving me some problems and maybe going for a Mackie Onyx 1220i.

Here is the link so everyone can check it out....
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Onyx1220i/

The Mackie is also an audio interface which seems great and would solve my interface issues. The only problem is I dont seem to see any S/PIDF connections on it so I would probably have to run the main outs to Line ins on the Mackie. If I did this am I going to regret not using S/PIDF? What are the advantages to using S/PIDF over just running line ins? Will there be a definite lack of audio quality? If there would be I guess I would have to pass on the mixer. It would be great to have one though.

Anyone here use an analog mixer with your Kemper? WHat are your opinions if you do?

Thanks!

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 2:55pm

I dont have one, but have used a Onyx 1220i before. - I used it a while ago as my live stage mixer, for my 4 amps. - the good thing with this, is that its got really bloody good preamps in the thing. - the audio interface is good. but the best thing of all its got excellent AD/DA conversion.

Nope it does not have SPDIF but then you wont need it. - its a bit overkill if you just want to plug your Kemper into it, and would perhaps recommend a RME interface or if too expensive a Focusrite Pro or something.

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 3:12pm

Hi and44.

Hey thanks for your help. I am the one posting at TGP about my Kemper/AxeFX woes. :) Thanks for all your help. I saw you respond to my thread but I haven't responded or tried your latest ideas yet. I tried hooking up my Kemper to the line ins on my Presonus late last night and I had the same problem. No signal from any of the Line Ins. When I plug in with S/PIDF it works great and I notice it right off the bat. I would assume I would also be seeing a Line In signal if I connected the Kemper and Axe that way. Later today I will try your newest suggestions.

I did look at the RME's and they are out of my price range. I did have a Focusrite Scarlett but I wasnt too fond of the mixing software. I had the Scarlett before I had a Kemper and my AxeFX did work on its Line ins. :) I've always been partial to analog mixers so after all these problems I'm having getting my Presonus to work correctly I thought maybe I would go ahead and try the Mackie mixer. When I saw it didnt have a S/PIDF connection I was let down and didnt think I would be able to use it as I read where some people suggested S/PIDF is the best way to go with connecting your Kemper and you should not use Line In. I dont want to sacrifice any quality of my recorded signal. Is it true S/PIDF will give you the best connection? If it doesn't really matter I may go ahead and try the mixer out. If I could get everyothing hooked up and working happy together that would be fantastic! :thumbsup:

If I get the mixer I would use it for connecting my Kemper, Axe FXII (hopefully), Vocal mic and midi drum set so it wont just be the Kemper going into it. Do you think it would still be overkill?

Again thanks for your help!

John

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 3:27pm

well in that case go right ahead.. - its the best mixer at that price range (for sure) - and sounds like you need the inputs.
What DAW do you use? as it will be simple, the Onyx can map each channel automatically to your DAW's I/O so for example..

You can run the Kemper on the stereo ins on 5/6 the Axe on 7/8 vocals on 4, Bass on 3, your Midi Drums on 9/10 and still have enough spare. - then in your DAW you select what channel you want to record.. this also means you can run them all together. - assuming you connect the KPA to the Axe using the Alternative output.

Good luck!.

Oh, and SPDIF will give you the best Digital connection yes. - but if you connect it to your current H/W it bypasses the Pre's and AD/DA - so its direct. in effect your cutting out all the crap. - however, with a good piece of gear, such as the Onyx, the Pre's are so good..(warm sounding)

And FWIW I never use SPDIF to record. never have done never will, sure I have the option available.. - but I prefer the coloration from mic pre's, but I can fully understand thats just IMO.

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 4:12pm

Very cool! Then the MackieOnyx it is! I am going to definitely try it now! I actually wanted to get it before I got the 1818vsl. Now that I know it will work with the Kemper I think its going to be a much better fit for me, especially with the other instruments I want to connect.

I typically use Logic but recently I started using Studio One v2. Pretty cool Daw. I also have Cubase 5 but dont use it as much right now. Hopefully the Mackie will work with StudiOne, if not I'll probably use Logic since I'm more familiar with that one.

I'm going to try and set up the AxeFX so I can use its effects with some of my Kemper profiles. Best of both worlds. :)

Thanks again for all your help!

P.s - After I get the mackie I may bump this thread if I need some more help. :)

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 4:28pm

+1 here on the Mackie 1220i.
I bought it for the firewire connection.


If you just want to use the Axe as an effects processor for the Kemper, you could connect it to the stereo AUX, send / return, of the 1220i.
I run a stereo Chorus/Delay, and Stereo Looper in the AUX.
Lot of possibilities with this mixer.

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Monday, July 23rd 2012, 4:41pm

Fantastic imall41!

I appreciate your comments as well and they will come in handy.

I just order the Mackie mixer and am really looking forward to it!

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Tuesday, July 24th 2012, 12:38am

Mhhh... since you seem to have problems using your audio interface, could it be a good option to troubleshoot it before buying further hardware?
I write this because it's not normal that you connect a device and get no sound. Why not trying to understand what's going wrong? If you don't reach a good level of error detecting/fixing, you will most likely go on having problems with whatever device you're going to buy.

Just my .02, of course, and YMMV... and all in good spirit ^^

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Tuesday, July 24th 2012, 3:38am

Mhhh... since you seem to have problems using your audio interface, could it be a good option to troubleshoot it before buying further hardware?
I write this because it's not normal that you connect a device and get no sound. Why not trying to understand what's going wrong? If you don't reach a good level of error detecting/fixing, you will most likely go on having problems with whatever device you're going to buy.

Just my .02, of course, and YMMV... and all in good spirit ^^


Viabcroce. You are probably right. I've been working on it all night last and night and a good portion today and I still cant get any signals from the line inputs at all through my Kemper or my AxeFXII. Its very wierd. ?( Truth be told though I planned on getting the Mackie before I got the Presonus. I started thinking that it might be a good fit for my setup. I do want to try the Mackie mixer and see what I think of it. I love testing things to try and find the best fit for my needs. If the Mackie doesnt make the cut then I may try again with the Presonus. I really do like it but I've always been partial to analog mixers so I thought why not give it a shot? :thumbsup:

I really do appreciate your insight and wise advice though. You really do have a good point about trying to find out why the Presonus isnt working right and maybe I should give it more time. I really would like to find out why its not working.

This post has been edited 3 times, last edit by "guitarmanjac" (Jul 24th 2012, 3:46am)


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Wednesday, July 25th 2012, 4:07am

Yeah, my philosophy is "if it doesn't work, find the reason". Engineering heritage, you know ... :P ^^

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