I have to say in over a 1 1/2 yrs of live use , I've never had a problem wit hswitching, having said that , The switch point in the song is quite tight and can see where you might be struggling with it. I assume you have tried switching the sounds in a live situation with your band. By the way love the tune.
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I have nothing on topic to comment because I don't use the KPA for live. I just wanted to say that I really like this song! Kind of reminds of Karnivool, although a bit more "pop" - which is not a bad thing! Thumbs up!
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I just recorded the following:
rig A - I play a chord and let ring - switch to rig B
yes, there is a dip in volume, rig A is very quickly faded out and rig B quickly faded in.
conservatively measuring from the beginning of the fade to where rig B reaches 'normal' volume, the result is:
16ms
= 62nd of a second
= 1/64th note @ 230(!) bpmbtw. the completely quite part between the fades is 1ms
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I have nothing on topic to comment because I don't use the KPA for live. I just wanted to say that I really like this song! Kind of reminds of Karnivool, although a bit more "pop" - which is not a bad thing! Thumbs up!
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I just recorded the following:
rig A - I play a chord and let ring - switch to rig B
yes, there is a dip in volume, rig A is very quickly faded out and rig B quickly faded in.
conservatively measuring from the beginning of the fade to where rig B reaches 'normal' volume, the result is:
16ms
= 62nd of a second
= 1/64th note @ 230(!) bpmbtw. the completely quite part between the fades is 1ms
I just recorded the following:
rig A - I play a chord and let ring - switch to rig B
yes, there is a dip in volume, rig A is very quickly faded out and rig B quickly faded in.
conservatively measuring from the beginning of the fade to where rig B reaches 'normal' volume, the result is:
16ms
= 62nd of a second
= 1/64th note @ 230(!) bpmbtw. the completely quite part between the fades is 1ms
Regardless of the facts and figures its very distracting. If nothing can be done then nothing can be done. If Fractal is no better by the sounds of it i won't be bothering to try that, i'll just have to live with it
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I just recorded the following:
rig A - I play a chord and let ring - switch to rig B
yes, there is a dip in volume, rig A is very quickly faded out and rig B quickly faded in.
conservatively measuring from the beginning of the fade to where rig B reaches 'normal' volume, the result is:
16ms
= 62nd of a second
= 1/64th note @ 230(!) bpmbtw. the completely quite part between the fades is 1ms
Don, may i suggest something to test out?
An 8ms reverb with full bandwidth, no damping and 8ms pre-delay, when the mix control is inversely proportionate to the fade-out curve? Triggered when presets switch, of course.
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Hey guys,
Just as an update, I've spent last night setting up my bands set for live use in Reaper and included patch changes on that, works great when I'm able to experiment and get the changeover point exactly right
Unfortunately i won't be able to use this until/if the KPA footswitch comes out as I'm not willing to not have a footswitch available to me as well as the automatic switching. But if/when that time comes, this will be cool
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Hey guys,
Just as an update, I've spent last night setting up my bands set for live use in Reaper and included patch changes on that, works great when I'm able to experiment and get the changeover point exactly right
Unfortunately i won't be able to use this until/if the KPA footswitch comes out as I'm not willing to not have a footswitch available to me as well as the automatic switching. But if/when that time comes, this will be cool
You can use a midi merger and use both, Reaper and a midi controller.
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You can use a midi merger and use both, Reaper and a midi controller.
Hmmmm interesting, i'll look at that.
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Is there a cheap product out there i can achieve this with? I expected to find just a 2 to 1 Y style adapter but they don't seem to exist.
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Yeah thanks, found that. Does seem very expensive for what it is, plus it seems to take its power from midi so i don't think it'd actually work...?
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Ahhhhhhhhh nevermind, this will never work.
The auto switching requires that the midi "channel" is set to a specific number, whereas the FCB1010 requires it be set to "omni".
Balls. Has to be the official KPA switch then.
EDIT: Maybe i can make this work by adding a second midi output for the second KPA to the laptop, setting them both to midi channel 1 and hope that allows enough functionality from the FCB1010's....
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I just recorded the following:
rig A - I play a chord and let ring - switch to rig B
yes, there is a dip in volume, rig A is very quickly faded out and rig B quickly faded in.
conservatively measuring from the beginning of the fade to where rig B reaches 'normal' volume, the result is:
16ms
= 62nd of a second
= 1/64th note @ 230(!) bpmbtw. the completely quite part between the fades is 1ms
Did some test on both my old Boss GT-10 and the Kemper:
- Boss GT --> Switching time 36 ms with almost 30 ms of mute signal
- KPA --> Switching time as Don said of 16 ms with no interruption of the signal (only fade out / fade in)So, a very big improvement respect to the Boss, even more than I expected. Moreover the KPA maintein the Delay/Reverb tails of the previous Rig perfectly when switchign to the new one. So, if the starting sound have delay/rev activated really you cannot notice any drop in volume when we switch rigs. I'm more worried for late human reaction time with our foot :-)))
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I think the problem is a human one (me). When switching with software, when i have the chance to time it perfectly, its pretty seamless. The problem is just in a live situation where you have to try and judge that when you're playing complicated parts and singing at the same time.
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The auto switching requires that the midi "channel" is set to a specific number, whereas the FCB1010 requires it be set to "omni".
I think this is not correct. I have the FCB with U4K and the Profiler set to MIDI channel 1. Works flawlessly.
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Yeah thanks, found that. Does seem very expensive for what it is, plus it seems to take its power from midi so i don't think it'd actually work...?
I think this is not correct. I have the FCB with U4K and the Profiler set to MIDI channel 1. Works flawlessly.
I think you're right there yeah.
Originally my plan was one midi out from the soundcard, one track sending control changes on midi channel X for KPA1 and another sending them on midi channel Y for KPA 2, then link the 2 KPA's together. I think I'll have to use channel 1 for both, then have 2 separate midi outs from the laptop.
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... the Profiler set to MIDI channel 1. Works flawlessly.
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Axe Fx2 has 20-30ms dropout time according to Cliff himself.
Even POD HD Pro has 16 ms dropout.
So if this is bothering you it is kind of like beating a dead horse.
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Seems negligible to me.