Is the Petrucci delay trick possible with the Kemper?

Yes, that's possible. I have created my own preset for that delay setting. No problem at all. Thing is, though, that - at the moment - there is no chance to use an additional delay. This might (?) change in the future, but as of now, it's not possible.

FWIW I'm doing this with the Behringer DEQ2496.
I bought it primilarly for its wonderful room auto EQ function, but discovered a lot of very useful additional features such as : stereo delay , compressor, feedback destroyer, all sort of graphic / param EQ's, level meter, stereo imager...Incredible product for the price !

Any chance you'd put up that sound joerch ?

If it's just a stereo width effect you're after, why not just use the Stereo Widener effect in X or Mod?

Stereo Widener is a good point and I have a question regarding this. IIRC the manual says that is has an effect in a mono setup too, but I can hear no difference when I'm dialing in the Stereo Widener. What's your experience with the SW?

Excuse me if this isn't what you're looking for, but a chorus would work in a similar way to fatten the sound too. Not sure if that's what you're looking for, but at lower levels, it would approximate the effect of a super-tight second guitarist mirroring your every move like no one seems able to do anymore.

I don't have the exact settings here, but I remember that I used an analog delay. I set the time to about 10ms and then played with the ratio a bit (1:4 or 4:1). Feedback relatively mild (about 20-30 %). Then you can play with the bandwidth and frequency and of course with the mix. Keep in mind that a 10ms delay is barely detectable as a delay but the overall effect gives you a room-like character.

The "Petrucci Delay" or "Hall effect" is well known on the internet. But I am afraight that it is not noticable at all in a concert venue. Such delay on one stereo side of the PA is equal to shifting the listeners position by only a few meters from the middle position between the speakers. But the vast majority of your audience is listening to you from a non-center position anyway. Beside that, most of this stereo perception is surpressed by the room reflections of the venue anyway.
I recently talked to a successful FOH guy. He said, they mix most signals mono, since the audience is everywhere in the venue, and they don't want to let the audience on the left miss the parts of the music they would pan to the left.
You probably don't want to present your performance with a 7 ms additional latency to the girls on the left. And not even on the right side

On a recording the "Petrucci Delay" is poison too, as it renders your guitar mono-incompatible.

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Stereo Widener is a good point and I have a question regarding this. IIRC the manual says that is has an effect in a mono setup too, but I can hear no difference when I'm dialing in the Stereo Widener. What's your experience with the SW?

Anybody?

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Anybody?

For sure the Stereo Widener has no effect when you have a mono setup. But it can create a stereo sound from a mono source such as the pure amp.

Thanks CK!

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The "Petrucci Delay" or "Hall effect" is well known on the internet. But I am afraight that it is not noticable at all in a concert venue. Such delay on one stereo side of the PA is equal to shifting the listeners position by only a few meters from the middle position between the speakers. But the vast majority of your audience is listening to you from a non-center position anyway. Beside that, most of this stereo perception is surpressed by the room reflections of the venue anyway.
I recently talked to a successful FOH guy. He said, they mix most signals mono, since the audience is everywhere in the venue, and they don't want to let the audience on the left miss the parts of the music they would pan to the left.
You probably don't want to present your performance with a 7 ms additional latency to the girls on the left. And not even on the right side

On a recording the "Petrucci Delay" is poison too, as it renders your guitar mono-incompatible.

I think he uses this delay trick because he has In-ear monitors. Through headphones, this may add something, but for me the space parameter may work better to get this breathy tone...

CK, all your comments are spot on.

I heard recently through headphones the Score DVD by Dream Theater and it sounds like he has constantly a kind of chorus due IMHO to this trick. I am not a fan of this...

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Hi guys ,
hopefully someone of you can help me out. I am the only guitarist in my band and i recently heard of a trick to get a broader sound. The trick should go like this:
One has to use a delay and set feedback to zero and the ms to a very low value for example 7ms. Then the sound guy should pan the stereo signal left and right ( the normal rythm sound and the one with the delay) and similiarly to the recording of two guitars you should get a more broad sound. My question is how would that be possible with the Kemper? Is there any possibility to do that without buying any additional delay?

In the old days I use to have this sound with the old Roland SDE-2500 pan 100% left 20ms and preamp signal 100% right. I know people is saying it's possible but I have tried for weeks now and dont think it's possible right now. Either it's delayed on both sides or the guitar signal stay in the center. I like this sound and great for bands with less people, big sound. Hope we get this in the future.

Am I wrong? the Free delay works now.after last upgrade it sounds good but get more delayed on the left when having 60ms on the right side. But is it starting at 0ms or 6ms on the left side? Here is my setup for the dubler sound Petrucci:
Mix 100% Time 27ms Ratio 4.1 Feedback 0. Bandwidth 0.Center F 0. Modulation 1.0 Ducking 0. Volume +2.1. You probably want to have less Time.
Thanks! Great! The only thing missing now is volume for the right side, because the delayed signal become little bit lower than the left signal.

what is 'free delay'??

why don't you just use the stereo widened,

Or the space effect. You don't even need a free slot for that it's in the output menu.

It's like the next doubler question al over again.

I've read other people also use the micro pitch define also to thicken up