Kemper owner today

  • You're using a guitar cab, test out profiles until you find some you like and get to playing. No sense getting crazy until you buy a quality frfr monitor. When you do that the gloves are off so to speak. You cab, no matter what cab it is, will make every profile sound like it's coming from that cab. With an frfr every profile can sound like the original. If it's a Marshall sound you're after and you cab is a Fender for instance, you will never get the sound right.

  • Does this mean I have to buy another cabinet? What is FRFR?


    In a traditional setup every element in your signal-chain will colour your guitar sound:


    Guitar -> Effects -> Preamp -> Effects(loop) -> Poweramp -> SpeakerCabinet -> Microphone -> recording/live mixer


    The KPA in its default configuration simulates everything between the guitar and the recording/live mixer. If you connect that to a tradidional speaker-cabinet you add another "filter" to the effect of the cabinet that already is included in a virtual rig.


    FRFR (Full Range Flat Response) is a term used for amplifiers and/or speakers that are designed to handle all audible frequencies equally well. A traditional guitar amp/cab is focusing on the frequencies a guitar produce, and is anything but flat-response. In fact it is the uneven amplification of different frequencies that give the amp/cab its unique characteristics.


    To use the KPA with a traditional guitar cab without turning off the KPA's internal cab-simulation is like putting a microphone in front of a traditional amp and run the signal back into the power-section of a different amp. It may be an interesting experiment to for example put a microphone in front of a Bassman and run it into the effects-return of a Trirec and listen to the result through a Mesa cab, but I'm not so sure the result would be all that nice ;) If you turn off cab-simulation and use a specific cabinet all then all virtual rigs will be colored by the characteristics of that cab. A Bender blackface profile is never going to sound authentic through a Mesa or Marshall cabinet. A cabinet from a traditional guitar-rig may sound ok for many profiles/rigs, but you will only be able to use the KPA to its full potential with FRFR amplification.

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  • You're using a guitar cab, test out profiles until you find some you like and get to playing. No sense getting crazy until you buy a quality frfr monitor. When you do that the gloves are off so to speak. You cab, no matter what cab it is, will make every profile sound like it's coming from that cab. With an frfr every profile can sound like the original. If it's a Marshall sound you're after and you cab is a Fender for instance, you will never get the sound right.


    Very clear! Thank you! That underlines the need for me to get a FRFR cab for a uncoloured sound. Unfortunately my savings don't allow that at this moment... ;) but that will be next on my list!

  • FRFR is a term used for amplifiers and/or speakers that are designed to handle all audible frequencies equally well.

    Very clear! This kind of speakers are next on my list for wishes.


  • And, for godness'sake, READ THE FREAKING MANUAL! You're having huge issues with a unit you don't know anything about?!


    I started allready....! But you must consider the fact that it's not being read as a novel, though most of it is pretty understandable,(after reading two or three times.)


    And watch you style of comment....I'm learning better by friendly comment.

  • Sure, sorry if I offended you :)


    Please note I wrote "freaking" :D


    On a serious note, how long it takes is not an issue: what matters most IMO is how much you master your device.
    Imagine a boy stealing a jet and always calling Base because he presses buttons and "it doesn't do what he expected"...


    You'll realize that writing as a first post "how and were to start" is quite demanding... You seem to expect you can fly fhe plane w/o any kind of knowledge, and this puzzles me.
    Heck, driving a car is very easy in its basical mechanics, but I wouldn't even know how to turn it on or what gears are if I had not "read the manual".


    Acquiring at least a basic knowledge is up to you, should be done before operating any device, and is as well a form of compliance with the members you're asking for help IMO
    It would also make communication much easier.


    Before having got the Profiler I read all the Axe-Fx and all the Kemper forums. Then I started asking what I hope were "intelligent" questions; what's most important, I was able to understand the answers and was able to do something with them! Heck, I even wrote a wiki for both units before owning them LOL
    Granted, I do not expect people to be crazy for gear like I am. But a basic knowledge is not hard to aquire, and I am confident will give you much more satisfaction.


    Peace

  • You're forgiven! I know you're right. :thumbup: ! But it can be a drag to spent hours and hours reading and sometimes not knowing what you read because of unknown terms. That's why I quote someone's remark that there should be a teacher standing next to me to show things. It would make things easier.
    Since your remark I started reading, trying and puzzling. My handicap is my impatience....
    Thanks anyway! :)

  • All of this brings
    me to another issue.


    I'm always searching for the right sounds of that
    particular song from that specific artist. How did he get his sound?
    What did he use to achieve that guitarsound. etc.


    The Kemper brings us
    original sounding amps whether they were used in 1959 or in 2001 to that song
    from that artist in that setting. I guess most of us (me certainly included) are
    no sound engineer to copy that. Still, I did some pretty good tweaking for
    different songs with fine results (BTW on a Boss GT-100...).
    However, there are
    great exceptions like Josh Munday by the introduction of Bosses GT-100 in
    reproducing amazing artist sounds. But again, he is a Roland Guitar Product
    Specialist, one of the happy few.
    This leads me to my question.
    How
    simple is it to achieve this in an even better way as an amateur on the Kemper?
    Let's say I want a very close reproduction ( a duplication) of David Gilmours guitarsound in
    Comfortably Numb.


    Does this mean I always have to know exactly what
    amp(s?) and what fx in whatever settings and ambience he used? Apart from the fact that he
    maybe used a specific (probably extra for him built) Fender strat! And of course
    the undoubtably great influence of his fingers... (some things can't
    be profiled... : :huh: !)

  • It should be said though that you can get some great tones from a guitar cab with the cab off button as well. I've found that Greenbacks tend to sound the best myself and I was able to notice a bit more differentiation when switching profiles using the heavier patches. I've found the V30s to be the least favorite of mine with a Kemper as I found those sounded very similar with each profile.


    FRFR is the way to go as pointed out in all of the responses above.

  • Generally speaking, when NOT using an FRFR cab, profiles sound best or better let's say most authentic when you stay in the territory of the cab you use.
    For example, when I amplify my profiler through my Vox AC30 HW all profiles from Vox territory shine and sound superb, incl. the Morgan AC 30.
    When I go into the return of my Marshall 6100 plus Marshall 4x12” cab with Celestion GT12-75 I get this flavour of that cab and it's of course much more suited for profiles that are more likely to feature a cab like this.
    The same is true for cabs of Fender amps etc.

  • You're forgiven! I know you're right. :thumbup: ! But it can be a drag to spent hours and hours reading and sometimes not knowing what you read because of unknown terms. That's why I quote someone's remark that there should be a teacher standing next to me to show things.


    I know... It was me :D


  • I'd advise you to read about "signature sounds" all over the Net... This requires studies, regardless the gear you use.
    Also, you might want to read about the same issue on wikpa.org, in order to see how this general topic is addressed with the Profiler.
    HTH

  • I'd advise you to read about "signature sounds" all over the Net... This requires studies, regardless the gear you use.
    Also, you might want to read about the same issue on wikpa.org, in order to see how this general topic is addressed with the Profiler.
    HTH

    I have to catch up a lot....! Studies indeed! I guess I ask to much in one moment. I'll sure get back later! Thanks for now!

  • :)
    You might have a point here :D


    We're all different of course, but as for me, when I get to own a new device, I give up any expectations and start exploring, experimenting, trying, until I master it.
    As Segovia said, "build your expertise and your technique slowly and consistently. Jacob's angels had got wings, but they were walking up and down Heaven's stairs nevertheless" :thumbup:

  • Just cycle thru the profiles with cabs off for a 4X12 cab and you should be able to get a rock solid tone. Turn gain up or down, tweak treble, bass and midrange. Maybe some presence. Voila the Kemper now will emulate a $1500 guitar amp. Then multiply that by ten to say the least and you now have ten world class amps for the price of one(Minimum). Then for DI recording solutions the Kemper beats an amp hands down without the use of VST eq and compression parameters, I mean straight out of the box you should be getting great authentic tones out of your Kemper unit without a problem!

  • As Segovia said, "build your expertise and your technique slowly and consistently. Jacob's angels had got wings, but they were walking up and down Heaven's stairs nevertheless"

    He also said: "I had only one teacher, myself, and only one student, myself." :thumbup:


    That's why I'm leaning on others expertise....

  • Just cycle thru the profiles with cabs off for a 4X12 cab and you should be able to get a rock solid tone. Turn gain up or down, tweak treble, bass and midrange. Maybe some presence. Voila the Kemper now will emulate a $1500 guitar amp. Then multiply that by ten to say the least and you now have ten world class amps for the price of one(Minimum). Then for DI recording solutions the Kemper beats an amp hands down without the use of VST eq and compression parameters, I mean straight out of the box you should be getting great authentic tones out of your Kemper unit without a problem!

    OK! That's no problem at all in the Browser mode. I can try different effects to it , tweak them (to a certain level).
    But somehow I found a nice sound and stored it. It turned out that I had (over)written EXAMPLE SONG 1 in the Perform mode. The same thing happened finding a bluestone for a song that I have to play in a band. It seemed to be stored as an overwritten rig. That's what I mean. I'm having problems to read the English manual and really technically understand what it says (only myself to blame for that!). And there 's a kind of pression to get things done. Or I have to get back to my other stuff again...
    Don't get me wrong. I really want to get into everything. :)

  • I made some simple sounds and saved them as a rig with sound names . But I can't figure out how to put them in a playing order without scrolling through all rigs. I have no controller yet. Can I (for the time being) put one after each other (no alfabetical order yet..)?