Can we please get some kind of Kemper Editor Software for your computer

  • As a business owner I have to object.
    Being open about what to expect and when creates negativity when you cannot hold up to your earlier announcements - no matter what the reason is.
    Make announcements when you know it is really going to happen - everything else is a shot in the foot.


    I also do not believe that the active users in this particular thread represent the average Kemper user. That doesn't mean, that the request for an editor isn't valid, but it could mean that the business reality forces Kemper to focus on other topics first and with bigger emphasis.


    I expect more reverbs before anything else.

  • As a business owner I have to object.
    Being open about what to expect and when creates negativity when you cannot hold up to your earlier announcements - no matter what the reason is.
    Make announcements when you know it is really going to happen - everything else is a shot in the foot.


    I also do not believe that the active users in this particular thread represent the average Kemper user. That doesn't mean, that the request for an editor isn't valid, but it could mean that the business reality forces Kemper to focus on other topics first and with bigger emphasis.


    I expect more reverbs before anything else.

    I can get a reverb unit to use with kemper. I cannot get an editor. I think people from site A, B , C, kemper users, have been saying a looooot of things about the lack of editor... even more than here maybe. It has been an on-going issue since the very start. Just last week I had a guitarist go from "imma buy kemper" to "wut... it's 2017... no editor... u joking, right?". I would say that when an issue is as big as this and people have been screaming for ever.. that maybe the silence from kemper creates even more negativity than, say, a business missing a deadline after an announcement. I mean, petitions being created.. it's gotten comical, whether an editor is in the works or not. That cannot possibly look good for kemper -- and it's not like they don't care about that, quite clearly, like any company.

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    Just last week I had a guitarist go from "imma buy kemper" to "wut... it's 2017... no editor... u joking, right?".


    You should have explained that the Kemper interface is incredibly intuitive, so much so, that the editor is a "nice to have" feature, unlike other units where it's a necessity.

  • As a business owner I have to object.
    Being open about what to expect and when creates negativity when you cannot hold up to your earlier announcements - no matter what the reason is.
    Make announcements when you know it is really going to happen - everything else is a shot in the foot.


    I also do not believe that the active users in this particular thread represent the average Kemper user. That doesn't mean, that the request for an editor isn't valid, but it could mean that the business reality forces Kemper to focus on other topics first and with bigger emphasis.


    I expect more reverbs before anything else.

    I represent the future users of Kemper, I am one of the millions of long-term VST amp users, well versed in the digital amp domain and looking to upgrade to something a bit better. There are many more like me. We live in our DAW's, we float freely between hardware and software, choosing the best tools for the job. We don't mind where our FX come from as long as they sound good.

  • You should have explained that the Kemper interface is incredibly intuitive, so much so, that the editor is a "nice to have" feature, unlike other units where it's a necessity.

    I told him it's quite intuitive and gave him my kemper for a day to try.. he does agree the hardware UI is quite amp-like, ect, ect, but is skeptical about working with the unit full time because of no editor. He'd have to re-arrange his studio pretty much to have kemper next to him, so I am not surprised. He does a lot of reamps and stuff like that too, which just complicates the process further.

  • How you know this - can you proof such a statement. :?: Maybe kemper see its future at other places. Who can say ?

    It's an untapped market. There is a lot of interest amongst this group, and they only really know digital amps. I'm guessing that the existing Kemper user base are predominantly former/current valve amp owners?


    At the moment Kemper is focussed on replacing real amps, but in the future when the technology is more widely available they will also be taking on the PC based amp sim market.

  • I agree, that's why It baffles me that it's still not released. I know most people who come from other digital modeling platforms are used to Editors as the main user interface. The ones that might not care as much are those who come directly from tube amps.

    Great Point Dean.


    I came from tube amps (plural) and am primarily concerned with my live performance (and thus easy and reliable setup and tear-down). The Kemper interface is just fine for me for that very reason.


    It would be interesting to see how many people play live vs those who primarily record (of course there is overlap in both to differing degrees for individuals).


    Of all the digital amps, Kemper most closely resembles a real amp with real controls. From my experience, it is the easiest to get great tone out of as well. It simply doesn't require nearly as much tweaking as other digital devices IMO.


    Putting my corporate hat on I would use the following strategy if I were CK:


    • Create a device which first and foremost can be used live as a replacement for tube amps and pedal boards.
    • Improve the features for this case like delay's, reverbs, and stomps to the point of being at the top of the game in these features.
    • Get as many big acts to move to Kemper as possible (give them away to big acts)

    IMO, many more people are going to purchase a Kemper because they saw, or know it is used by an artist that they like the tone of than those artists that record with it.


    I am also of the belief that we can expect better stomps and verbs before a good editor (in depth parameter editor). Getting better stomps and verbs fits within the existing architecture. Putting in the needed hooks for in depth editing may well be a big architecture change which will take much more time and money (and cause more bugs).


    The biggest pay off is in the former, not the later.


    I do agree that some uses cases of the Kemper mentioned here will likely move to other solutions without a deep PC editor. There was no editor when I bought my Kemper, and I don't expect one.


    Since I bought my Kemper, the following big improvements have been made:


    • Kemper foot controller (replaced my FCB1010 and was a big help in cleaning up my stage space). It also got a looper .... but I don't use that (just for goofing around).
    • Pure cab (much better sounding distorted sounds as a result)
    • Greatly improved delay engine and efx routing
    • Morphing (I don't use it myself, but it is fun to play around with)

    If you look at the improvements, it is clear that Kemper has had a strategy of improving the live sound and live work flow for people much more than any other features.


    I wouldn't be surprised to see more improvements for live (ish) work flow and tone quality before we get a PC editor for detailed parameter work.

  • Given the lengthy thread and lack of response from the upper echelons, I'm finding myself questioning both the financial and physical implications of the elusive "Editor"


    If an editor is not possible, KEMPER must make a statement -


    One way or the other.


    The lack of communication speaks volumes (no pun intended)

  • I think it is their policy not to comment on future features until the feature is ready for beta release. That is not different from most companies.

  • As a business owner I have to object.
    Being open about what to expect and when creates negativity when you cannot hold up to your earlier announcements - no matter what the reason is.
    Make announcements when you know it is really going to happen - everything else is a shot in the foot.


    I also do not believe that the active users in this particular thread represent the average Kemper user. That doesn't mean, that the request for an editor isn't valid, but it could mean that the business reality forces Kemper to focus on other topics first and with bigger emphasis.


    I expect more reverbs before anything else.

    @bigHF I agree that they should not say all but mastering communication is not remaining dead silent. Since 2013 the editor is the most demanded feature and there is no statement from the company. This is not state of the art commercial practices. Luckily they have set up the best piece of gear and it still is without editor but if it wasn't the case they'd be out of the game with such marketing. The product sells by itself is not a viable commercial strategy.

  • It's an untapped market. There is a lot of interest amongst this group, and they only really know digital amps. I'm guessing that the existing Kemper user base are predominantly former/current valve amp owners?


    At the moment Kemper is focussed on replacing real amps, but in the future when the technology is more widely available they will also be taking on the PC based amp sim market.

    My question was why you know that you are the future of Kemper?


    I don't want to rule out the possibility that there may be developments you're describing,
    However, there is currently no indication that kemper wants to participate in this process.


    I don't think the Kemper is meant for the army of more or less talented do-it-yourselfers, who also sometimes make surprisingly good music even with free plug-ins instead of expensive studio equipment.


    A development that certainly changed the music industry drastically but is not likely to be so relevant for niche product manufacturers.
    Why plunge into a confusing array of manufacturers who are currently coming and going on the market, where innovations compete with each other almost every day?


    You're certainly right about one thing. Kemper aims at users of amps who want to convince themselves of the quality and versatility in terms of space and weight.


    When I try to look into the future, I would think that high quality amps and the Kemper Profiler will have their place on the market for a long time to come.

  • Axe (not only axe, imho) vs kemper is not the difference between Mesa and Spider, for many people, though. That was the point made. This is why some, quite a few, do use other units, for something like an editor.

    I know Dimi. I am just fooling around, because this thread is getting a bit ridiculous for many reasons :) the least important of them is lack of Kemper editor ;). Personally I didn't see the point of an editor before delay update, except Kemper being far away from the desk, but even then if one needs to tweak it so frequently, move it closer? None of analog compressors/preamps etc have editors and these units are used frequently so people move them closer to mixing desk. Now, after delay update, editor would be handy, but it's still not necessary, IMO. Personally, I have 2-3 hours a day to allocate to guitar and pretty much all of it is spent practicing, pretty much zero to tweaking gear, I either use a few commercial profiles I like or profiles of amps me or my friends own. Nothing to tweak there except small adjustments of front panel EQ. Just like any other amp.


    Thread's got even more ridiculous. We not only have usual marketing experts, petition starters but also a prophet or two showed up. Good fun ;)


    p.s. Anyone here ever used VSIG?:)

  • Quote from mdeeRocks

    Personally I didn't see the point of an editor before delay update


    Alright.This is an elephant in the room (next to the amp :D ) most of the people "demanding" the editor for some reason just cant see..


    Kemper won the battle (winning the pros) but is loosing the war to L6 in matters of selling units in general.Now with L6 going strong to take shares from all the plug-in-amps and sims things will get even more difficult ie market shares.



    Quote from Sharry

    A development that certainly changed the music industry drastically but is not likely to be so relevant for niche product manufacturers.
    Why plunge into a confusing array of manufacturers who are currently coming and going on the market, where innovations compete with each other almost every day?


    Exactly.And Kemper would be crazy not to think about where to put themselves in this huge,confusing market.Now add to all these older start ups from silicon valley from the last few years the next wave which will come from china etc..plug ins and sims for a single $.. :/ Good luck to all the guys from bias etc..


    Another thing I say again and again:The Kemper is no "sculpturing" your amp from the scratch machine.If you "copy" your amp you will not need a thousands of parameters after the profiling.Just a few.This is a big difference to all the other modelers and again..Kemper would be crazy not to "demand" that there is this difference and who ever buys this product should have at least the will to grasp this difference..not saying that they try this through "denying the editor" but as engineers you have the resposibility to make your customers understand what to expect.And what not.You dont need "announcements" for this.Just a look into the manual would be sufficient.


    At the end..


    A musician must love his instrument.The germans have a nice saying "Kunst kommt von Können" meaning the linguistic root of "art" is comming from "ability"..which means you have to sit down on your butt and practise for years.The opposite of "being convenient"(yes @Dimi,talking to you)..in many ancient languages the word "musical instrument" is deriving from "organ"..like the organs of our body.In our ancient european heritage "music" derives form the "muses" and the instrument to play music were (and are still called) "mousiko organo" which I would translate with "body part of the muses"..Let us not forget that we talk about music here.Something only comparable to basic biological/psychological basic instincts (and therefore "needs") like food,sex etc..


    Since we talked in this forum about "tonewoods" and how much better any other material would be as replacement..or "this is 2017 and IT is the future" let us not forget that we had this some 20-30 years ago.
    We had (and still have) Parker,Steinberg,Roland..graphite and many other materials comming and going.We had "Midi" and "Racks" with Bob Bradshaw and all the other guys.All gone.USB will be gone too.Rather sooner than later.Next!Vintage marshalls,Fenders and Vox will stay..we have a huge "vintage market" where you pay millions for 54´ Strats and 59´LesPauls..armies of guitar players ordering "their" Clapton,SRV or Gilmour strats at the Fender CS or as partscaster from warmoth etc..spending weeks and months getting the colour of the tinted neck finish right to be the "same" like the one on the picture taken from some legendary pink flyod cover or live concert some 40-50 years ago..


    All that being said..I also wait for an editor for using the nice delays we have now.I dont use them now because the lack of an editor.. ;)

  • All technology starts off as a niche product for a specialist market before filtering down to the masses. Take computers for example. They used be huge mainframes and cost millions, and were only used by governments and big business. Then with the PC revolution in Silicon Valley they were used by early adopters in the DIY enthusiast community, although they still commanded premium prices as they were not yet commodity items. Fast forward to today and now every home has multiple computing devices, desktops, laptops, tablets, smartphones, TV, fridge, car, watch, etc.

    Looking at other technology, most homes have a few cars these days, travel by aircraft is common place, and even quality guitars can now be had for very little money.


    Therefore it is my opinion that the market I described previously will receive the new digital amp technology at some point in time, either through Kemper or a 3rd party when patents lapse. As a member of other music forums, I know that most users of VST amp Sims would like to have a Kemper or Fractal like device, but many are currently priced out of the market.

  • Therefore it is my opinion that the market I described previously will receive the new digital amp technology at some point in time, either through Kemper or a 3rd party when patents lapse. As a member of other music forums, I know that most users of VST amp Sims would like to have a Kemper or Fractal like device, but many are currently priced out of the market.

    I don't know what the future holds and even less what Kemper plans for the future.
    At the moment, the request to provide an editor immediately or at least to confirm the creation of an editor is being made.


    There is a doubt about the sense of an editor here.
    I also can't take advantage of all the possibilities of the Kemper with regard to the number of effects, number of available Cabs, amps etc.
    I eagerly await at least a management tool, which relieves the browser button and my nerves.


    The discussion is more about Kemper being asked to comment on demands for an editor.
    I think it is their decision and corresponds to the practice for improvements that has been put into practice so far.