Technical question to create a Direct Amp profile

    I want to create a profile my Direct amp Hughes & Kettner Tube 50 amp and have a question for the technical experts among you: I have the amp (head), a H&K 1x12 box, a external Hughes% Kettner Red Box, a Art TPS II preamp wich can also work as a DI Box and a bad standard Behringer direct box DI20 X/ .


    The amp has three outputs: 2x8 Ohm speaker and one which is labeled with 8-16 ohms. Is it technically possible, to connect the box to one of the 2x8 Ohm outputs of the amplifier and to the second speaker output directly to the input of profiling Kempers?
    Or must this signal be processed with a DI Box? If so, does it work with the ART TPSii or the Behringer direct box and how do I wire up this gizmos? My Red Box can do this but colors the signal and this function can not be switched off to my knowledge?
    I've already thought to use the Return Out signal of the amplifier, but there is only the preamp signal, right?


    Is there a way, with this equipment to create a Direct Amp profiles by means of a technical tricks or it is impossible? I prefer to ask before I destroy one of my devices...


    Thanks for your answers!


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    Hi WS,


    For certain, you must NOT use the Behringer Ultra-DI model DI-120 with your H&K Tube Amplifier. That particular DI model is not mean't for use with tube amplifiers, and it does not have a pass through connection so that you ensure your H&K Tube 50 amp is connected to a speaker load.


    You would want to use something like Behringer's ULTRA-DI model DI600P, which is a passive DI box that is suitable for using with your H&K Tube 50 head. Don't forget that you must connect the speaker pass through/out of the DI box to an appropriate speaker cabinet, or you will damage your amplifier.


    You may have missed this sticky thread, which has Kemper "approved" DI boxes for Direct Profiling:


    http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19540


    I am NOT SURE is that H&K Red Box is suitable, as it appears you cannot disable the built-in speaker cabinet emulation. You definitely do not want any speaker cab emulation/simulation affecting the signal from the DI box, when Profiling an amplifier. Again, read the thread in the link, above.


    I can't speak for the ART TPSII Preamp...but something tells me that this device would not be an appropriate DI box suitable for making Direct Amp profiles of a 50 Watt tube amplifier.


    Cheers,
    John