Merged vs Studio profiles - Problem solved?

I also prefer the studio profiles to the direct and merged. It's just my personal taste as I like what the mic does when interacting with the cab and also the engineer's knowledge on micing an amp. I feel the direct and merged lose something that's in the studio versions...

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I also prefer the studio profiles to the direct and merged. It's just my personal taste as I like what the mic does when interacting with the cab and also the engineer's knowledge on micing an amp. I feel the direct and merged lose something that's in the studio versions...

Rich am I correct you are still using Studio profiles live with a guitar cab?

Yup...I think they sound better to my ears....I've been using our EVH profiles exclusively. The studio versions just seem to have more balls and clarity. I do send the full profile out to foh too.

Time for a bug report to the mothership?

It's not a bug report, it's just an indication of how good Christoph's original Cabinet simulation/algorithm is.

Many guitarist scientists wanted 110% amp/cab separation, so CK developed FW 3, but the original separation was excellent to begin with.

I just did a two day Guitar Expo this last weekend, I used Michael Britt Studio Profiles the entire weekend through a poweramp/cab, it sounded fantastic.

I did not spend as much time as others did with merged profiles. But to me, the process seems to work.

Here´s three profiles from my ENGL 860 i created yesterday. Please try them:

Studio

DI

Merged

I cannot hear too much difference between Studio and Merged though there is a little difference in the amount of gain that was detected in the DI profile.

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It's not a bug report, it's just an indication of how good Christoph's original Cabinet simulation/algorithm is.

Many guitarist scientists wanted 110% amp/cab separation, so CK developed FW 3, but the original separation was excellent to begin with.

I just did a two day Guitar Expo this last weekend, I used Michael Britt Studio Profiles the entire weekend through a poweramp/cab, it sounded fantastic.

Aren't the merged profile supposed to sound exactly like the studio profile, with the cab enabled on both the profiles? That's how I understand it.

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Aren't the merged profile supposed to sound exactly like the studio profile, with the cab enabled on both the profiles? That's how I understand it.

That was my understanding too...but I don't hear that. I definitely hear a difference.

Usually they are exactly the same even thru analyzer but there are things that can make them tiny bit different. The definition of a profile for example is not only influenced by used gain and kind of amp. Its also influenced by the micing imo.
I dont know how much the quality of DI boxes vary but i even dont keep the studios ones anymore

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It's not a bug report, it's just an indication of how good Christoph's original Cabinet simulation/algorithm is.

Many guitarist scientists wanted 110% amp/cab separation, so CK developed FW 3, but the original separation was excellent to begin with.

Best joke i've ever read! Are you serious? What original separation are you talking about? The one that was made by algorithm? How could this ever be original?

Well guys, this subject has been discussed in this thread --> OK Testing FW 3.0! [How Kemper works? All amps sound similar]? but only a few cared. The most owners just thought that everything works great, Kemper is the perfect guitar tool etc. They were even saying that with the old separation type the sound was amazing. And then they heard the difference when direct amp profiling came out. Come on...stop being so passionate to justify your expensive product (which is great for it's initial purpose)! Merged profiles doesn't sound the same as studio profiles! Even direct amp profiling could be improved, imho!

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I did not spend as much time as others did with merged profiles. But to me, the process seems to work.

Here´s three profiles from my ENGL 860 i created yesterday. Please try them:

Studio

DI

Merged

I cannot hear too much difference between Studio and Merged though there is a little difference in the amount of gain that was detected in the DI profile.

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Tried these at lunch. I can hear a difference between the merged and studio but it is small, about the difference I hear between a reference amp and the profile of said amp.

However the part that confuses me is when you tick the cab button off on the merged file and switch to the DI file the difference is big. Should these be identical?

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However the part that confuses me is when you tick the cab button off on the merged file and switch to the DI file the difference is big. Should these be identical?

Very interesting! Yes, they should!

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Tried these at lunch. I can hear a difference between the merged and studio but it is small, about the difference I hear between a reference amp and the profile of said amp.

However the part that confuses me is when you tick the cab button off on the merged file and switch to the DI file the difference is big. Should these be identical?

Did you try that while using the monitor out? I am not 100% sure, but i think that there is a difference here in the routing of the different signals?

I loaded the 3 profiles while monitoring through main out to FRFR.

Switching from merged to studio had the expected results of very little difference, if I recall correctly the merged had more mids and was congested slightly while the studio profile sounded clearer.

However when switching off the cab on the merged profile them switching directly to the DI profile there was a very obvious difference, the Direct had much more highs and high mids.

Not sure why but I will message support with a link to this thread and those profiles.

Anyone else get this?