"Main Out -12 dB" Pad Stored in Output Preset

DaanJM · Feb 21st 2017

Didn't know this yet, but the "Main Out -12 dB" pad option in the Output Section is stored in output presets. I almost blew my ears out wearing headphones (plugged into Scarlett 2i4) and recalling an output preset where it was unticked and the volume suddenly boosted by 12 dB!

This is a bit contradictory with: the fact that output volumes are (intentionally) not stored in output presets.

Quote from ckemper

We have decided not store volume values to avoid large and dangerous jumps in volume.
There is a standard workaround for sure: keep the volumes at constant values and adapt the correct levels on the receiving devices (mix desks, monitors)

Is this a bug?

Michael_dk · Feb 21st 2017

I think you may be right that this is not intentional. I think you should contact support (link in my signature)

DaanJM · Feb 21st 2017

Quote from Michael_dk

I think you may be right that this is not intentional. I think you should contact support (link in my signature)

Will do.

BTW, I'm on the Release OS 5.0.3, but I guess this isn't solved yet, as I didn't find any report of a fix in the Beta versions.

Kemper Support #1 · Feb 21st 2017

This is intentional behaviour. None of the factory presets has the -12dB switch activated.

DaanJM · Feb 21st 2017

Quote from hjscheffler

This is intentional behaviour. None of the factory presets has the -12dB switch activated.

Then I don't get why output volumes can't be stored in output presets.
A 12 dB jump in volume is OK, but larger ones are not?

Kemper Support #1 · Feb 21st 2017

the -12dB option is a switch for the XLR outputs and is totally different from the actual volume values for the outputs in regards to how it is handled by the OS.
The default setting for this parameter is "off".
The output presets were created using the default setting.
This has nothing to do with volume jumps being ok or not.

Ingolf · Feb 21st 2017

Quote from hjscheffler

the -12dB option is a switch for the XLR outputs and is totally different from the actual volume values for the outputs in regards to how it is handled by the OS.
The default setting for this parameter is "off".
The output presets were created using the default setting.
This has nothing to do with volume jumps being ok or not.

Nonetheless, for the sake of consistency, the -12dB option shouldn't be storable to avoid unwanted huge jumps in volume.

Kemper Support #1 · Feb 21st 2017

Quote from Ingolf

Nonetheless, for the sake of consistency, the -12dB option shouldn't be storable to avoid unwanted huge jumps in volume.

Please post this in the feature request section and also keep in mind that the init globals function will also reset this parameter to off.

Burkhard · Feb 22nd 2017

Should we then also exclude Output Sources, because an output could switch from "off" to on, which could be even more than 12 dB difference? This would compromise the whole meaning of Output Presets, wouldn't it?

Whenever I play with signal routings and cannot predict what will happen or am not hundred percent sure, I first put the headphones on my shoulders.

DaanJM · Feb 22nd 2017

Quote from Burkhard

Should we then also exclude Output Sources, because an output could switch from "off" to on, which could be even more than 12 dB difference? This would compromise the whole meaning of Output Presets, wouldn't it?

Whenever I play with signal routings and cannot predict what will happen or am not hundred percent sure, I first put the headphones on my shoulders.

I totally agree.
My point is that I think that this reasoning makes the following argument invalid: "output volumes are not stored in output presets in order to avoid large jumps in volume".

Ingolf · Feb 22nd 2017

Quote from DaanJM

I totally agree.My point is that I think that this reasoning makes the following argument invalid: "output volumes are not stored in output presets in order to avoid large jumps in volume".

Exactly what I'm thinking as well.
Just make it consistent.

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