Guitar cab or FRFR - and why?

Thanks soloist74. I saw the red sound cab (i am italian...;)
It is interesting but some people stated it is not really a frfr speaker as the dxr10...

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Thanks soloist74. I saw the red sound cab (i am italian...;)
It is interesting but some people stated it is not really a frfr speaker as the dxr10...

It's a GRFR indeed, which per se doesn't make it better or worse than a FRFR anyway.

There are big differences between FRFR and FRFR. Because everybody can say: My FRFR is an FRFR. If it is correct is another thing.
My hint check it out! Pay attention to your prefered solution if it is strong in the high middle and highs. There are the most differences between all solutions.

My decision was finally the BlueAmps Solution.

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I would say FRFR with active monitors is a huge step up once you learn how to dial the tones. I played my Yamaha DXRs for some years. However my band switched to IEM recently and i will never go back. Combined with a X32 mixer that provides each band member with an individual stereo mix this is just an incredibly satisfying way of playing music.

is the red cab loud enough to rehearse with the band? Does it sound well also at bedroom level?

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is the red cab loud enough to rehearse with the band? Does it sound well also at bedroom level?

Do you mean Red Sound? If so, it can cover all your needs, from bedroom level, to rehearsal, to stage level.

Yes. I meant it. thanks

i have the active red sound cab. loud as hell. check out the review here
i think i am gonna attach this to my signature

I have the passive one and I could tear down the building if I wanted to.

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i have the active red sound cab. loud as hell. check out the review here
i think i am gonna attach this to my signature

Thanks ..
Does it sound good also at low bedroom volumes?

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Thanks ..Does it sound good also at low bedroom volumes?

The passive one surely does (and I'm not aware of any relevant differences with the active one).
Stupid question: wouldn't using headphones be a better solution for bedroom use?

There's a minimum volume to sound good. That still works for bedroom playing but not if the family is asleep

That is right.
But with the red sound cab you keep the cab simulator on or it has to be switched off?

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That is right.
But with the red sound cab you keep the cab simulator on or it has to be switched off?

Hmmm, doesn't appear to be a full range speaker, unless that is a coaxial-based setup. But I think it is simply a single, 12" guitar speaker. Now, perhaps the speaker is relatively "flat" compared to a normal / traditional guitar speaker, but it certainly isn't going to leverage the full advantage of the KPA's cabinet profiles. Normally, you would disable the Cab Sims when playing through a guitar cab (even one with a more "flat" response)...however, I obviously would defer to the experience of an owner of this cab, such as @pamplemousse. I believe in his review thread, he mentioned that he uses Red Sound cab with the KPA's cabinet sims active.

At the end of the day, if it sounds good, it is good. And there is certainly room in the market for a "GRFR" type of cabinet.

If you are interested in going full-blown FRFR, and want to make the transition from traditional guitar cab much easier, I would recommend you strongly consider an FRFR that is coaxial-based, as opposed to a 2-way, separately mounted woofer and tweeter system. For coaxial-based FRFR, you might take a look at the solutions offered by the following:

XiTone Cabs
Mission Engineering -- Gemini series
Atomic CLR

Thanks tritium.
It is not that easy to find the speakers you suggested here in italy (i will check better anyway...).
In case i will go for a yamaha dxr10 or laney X...
They should not be coaxial based but should sound good..

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Thanks tritium.
It is not that easy to find the speakers you suggested here in italy (i will check better anyway...).
In case i will go for a yamaha dxr10 or laney X...
They should not be coaxial based but should sound good..

Indeed, you can't go wrong with the Yammy DXR10. It get's a lot of love and praise, here on the KPA forum. Plus, with Yamaha, you get piece of mind of having the after-market service and support capabilities of a global company.

I do leave cab sims on and fully enjoy KPA cabs
I can't assess how linear it is but hell it's good

I use 2 x QSC K12. Yes, they are larger but they sound very good in my opinion. They can sound as loud as a 100 watt tube amp & cabinet.

Another question (sorry if i bother but i am new to the kpa technology since i am am old minded valve-amp guitarist...)
In case i got a frfr speaker (let's say the dxr10 for example...), can i use it by itself as it was a guitar cab or should i use it only to monitor myself onstage while sending the signal also to the pa for audience ?
I am mainly thinking to the small venues when generally (and uncorrectly, i know..) i only use my amp without mic....in this case can i use only the kpa and the frfr as it was an old head-speaker stack? Thanks for the patience

Both ideally.