AxeFx "Profiling" vs. KPA

Re Scott's post. I was just going to post in the suggestions for the KPA a facility for profiling from an isolated guitar track. Wouldn't mind profiling the start of Neil Young's 'Ohio' or Television's 'See no Evil' or the Stones 'Brown Sugar'. I'll still email them with the suggestion. Maybe this will all be somewhat redundant when people successfully start editing profiles to get the sound of a guitar on a record (that dates me, note I don't say 'cd' or 'mp3') as I think Jon G has been trying to do with Led Zeppelin's 'The Ocean'. I think we've come a long way from the JHS 'Rockbox'.

Quote from mDan

Here is a MP3.

http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/amp_match_preview.mp3

Seems to work very good, I think the 2nd one sounds "better" - but it is also a little bit louder. But the difference is so little - I wouldn't care at all

I think the Axe has a different approach, it is really more to "matching" a modelled amp to the real thing.
Let's see once that feature is released.

Quote from Armin

04 ) I love the KPA UI much more than the AxeFx. Real knobs, LED-rings to show the stored values ...

I always wondered why this awesome feature with the LEDs was already in place of my first V-AMP(!) from Behringer
but Line6 still hasn't thought of it?!

One is an axefx model, the second is a different axefx model 'tone matched' to the first one.

I think someone said that clip#1 was a KPA profile, and clip#2 was the Axe matched to the KPA

Quote from schneidas

I think someone said that clip#1 was a KPA profile, and clip#2 was the Axe matched to the KPA

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Second one is Axe-Fx II.

First one is a preset named "DIEZEL CH2". Second one is FAS MODERN matched to it.

Ok. And "Diezel CH2" is what? On the Axe2?

Quote from schneidas

Ok. And "Diezel CH2" is what? On the Axe2?

KPA

Got it!

Well this is like a 1st prize for the KPA: Fractal matching to it to show how good the Axe is

Thanks Cliff! This is an honor!

Quote from guitarnet70

Well this is like a 1st prize for the KPA: Fractal matching to it to show how good the Axe is

Thanks Cliff! This is an honor!

the new feature is so good that it killed the Fractal forum

Also trying to connect.....it doesn't happen....

Quote from Scott_Peterson

It also appears you can not only match amps, but isolated guitar tracks too.

The game is afoot!

...mmmm Scott coming back saying his horse is gonna be very very fast. That's 'a precious piece of information'

The Kemper Profiling Amp is the "Dumble" of digital.

Ok so the Axefx has some sort of 'profiling' - it should not and will not make any difference to owners of either product. You bought your guitar gear for a specific reason made informed judgements.

The Axefx has a mind boggling amount of parameters and knobs to tweek, The KPA is a smiple one shot device for fingerprinting a amp of choice. horses for courses sound, feel and ease of use.

I'm positive that Chris will come forward with some great updates and enhancements and the future of the Kemper is assured.

Comments from Fractal users that are not positive should be taken in isolation not as a group.

We are still to see what this profiling involves and how good it is? what sacrifices will have to be made, remember there is no mic input so its another cost.

regards.

Interested to know if it will be just an fx block (like an EQ matching curve) applied to a similar, existing model, or if it will create an independent amp block as tweak-able as a model (or profile)...

Quote from guitarnet70

Interested to know if it will be just an fx block (like an EQ matching curve) applied to a similar, existing model, or if it will create an independent amp block as tweak-able as a model (or profile)...

"Digital alchemy" was impossible a few months ago, now suddenly it's possible.

In Logic Pro, there is a plug-in called Match EQ. You can have it analyze a selection of a guitar track and apply that EQ curve to your own guitar track and the results can be pretty good. However, I don't see how an Axe-Fx will be able to profile an amplifier or tone and have the same raw organic qualities with the natural high end of the Kemper without starting from scratch. I've owned several Axe-Fx units including the II and not once did I ever get a clean or mid-gain tone that sounds or feels so convincing as the Kemper, there is a compressed quality to every tone I hear from the Axe-Fx that I don't with the Kemper, something is definitely different with the Kemper, for the better IMO.

Quote from Lukather

The KPA is a simple one shot device for fingerprinting a amp of choice.

I disagree.

I'm not sure whether you've got a KPA yet, when you get it you will quickly realize this is not true.

The Profiles are virtually like an amp sim on any other modelling device, in fact maybe more tweakable because the controls are so smart.
There's two kinds of tweaking on digital modellers, one is to tweak to fix, and the other is to tweak to improve.

Kemper built an amp, like Marshall and Mesa Boogie build amps, so did he.
He designed all the elements of an amp in his own way, how the gain works, how the EQ re-acts to adjustments, how it compresses, everything, just like a real amp.

And then, on the 6th day he added Profiling, and on the 7th day he rested.