Kemper 2 expectations

  • That's just one of the reasons I didn't go the Fractal route.


    My idea of a Kemper 2 would have some kind of mini profiler for pedals. I don't really have a clue what I'm talking about, but some kind of "pedal-only profiler lite" function alongside the existing amp/cab profiler. Then add slots to load the "lite" profiles. Sounds like more processing chips and memory.

  • Get a Profiler.
    Invest in longevity.
    My investment in the profiler has been protected since 2012.

    same with me...I had it all, from JCM800 to Triaxis with all in between, but from the kemper day one (coincidentally 2012) I never felt the need to go back to other things

    "...why being satisfied with an amp, as great as it can be, while you can have them all?" michael mellner


    "Rock in Ecclesia" - new album on iTunes or Google music

  • Dear Mr kemper, Please don't release a K2. I for one will not upgrade, its fine as it is! Just please continue the great work with the fantastic support and the FREE software updates. The Kemper is like the "Magic Porridge Pot' of guitar amps! :thumbup:

  • Going straight into the third year with the kpa my biggest fear when I bought this device was that the developer (in this case @ck) would follow all the other developers ie modeling..upgrades (for free and ofcourse charged) every few weeks and months,follow up models of the same device every (very)few years (making your just ordered device more or less obsolete) and so on..


    I really had the big (very big) fear that I would be "lost" more in attempts understanding the new software & upgrades than playing my guitar at home,on stage and in the studio.I also wanted a device which is easy to handle despite being a digital tool.
    The experience I made after I bought the kpa with the "real buttons" which are not to different than tweaking a real tube amp is today something I would never like to miss again.


    Saying all this..I am one of those who came from the tube amp world to the kpa and not from any other competiting modeler which all their "superior UI" and other gadgets (but less good sounding amp sims).


    Now..do I belong to the main pool of "potential customers" of the kpa;Who knows.. ;)


    ps


    Instead of a more expensive Kemper2 with "dual amp" and whatever gadgets I will for sure prefer to get me a second kpa.As for fx..while recording I always will go with the top class plug ins of my DAW while playing live the fx of the kpa were good enough even before the new delays.Instead of dreaming about how to spend money you mabye dont have ( I dont have it for sure) think more about what you really(really,really) need..and not what you want because it is technically possible.I am happy that @CK obviously follows this philosophy and does not what a greedy, & opportunistic developer would do(no pun intended..).


    greetings

  • Personally, I'd like to see a Kemper 2 with:


    1 - More internal (software) and external (hardware) routing capabilities.


    2 - Ability to load two separate profiles.


    3 - S/PDIF recording capabilities of up to 96KHz.


    4 - Front screen worthy of the year we're in (NOT from 1989).


    5 - The addition of a Floorboard model to make it easier for gigging/touring musicians.


    6- Synth effects!!!


    7 - And, for crying out loud, a Windows/Mac editor please!!



    Hopefully we don't have to wait for the Kemper 2 to see that last request though. But that is my wishlist :-).



    And for those who don't want a Kemper 2, you know you don't have to buy it if/when it comes out, right? Just stick to the Kemper, which is still a great device. I mean, what do you consider an acceptable life span for a digital device? 10? 15? 20 years? As cool as 15 to 20 years sound, I can almost guarantee you that that's not gonna happen.


    There's gonna be a point when CK is gonna have to release a new unit and, in my opinion, that point seems to be very soon giving that a lot of people are switching to other manufacturers from the Kemper due to their convenience over it. Even though I (and even those same people switching over) still consider the Kemper the best sounding digital device in its category, the other devices are also very good sounding and they offer conveniences (such as a floorboard model and computer editor, among other things) that gives them an edge over the Kemper. The Kemper's only trump card is the profiling aspect, which a lot of people don't really care for. So what's left? It's great to have a long life span. But competition won't allow it. You gotta stay relevant in order to sell. Just one man's opinion :-).

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  • There are 2 camps here


    1 current is great and new version just devalues the old one
    2 The current version is behind the pack in terms of features


    to respond:


    1 - More internal (software) and external (hardware) routing capabilities. - to do what ? Sorry I just don;t get this...maybe I'm just a simple guitarist but I have not hit any limitations that I care about. I know the Helix has more routing capabilities but no idea what they are used for..pre and post amp is enough for me so I'm not clear what is missing. from a hardware perspective perhaps more options effects loop wise but as the effects get better, the need drops..



    2 - Ability to load two separate profiles. Why? I know some guitarists play with 2 amps and behind them but not many at the same time and blend, which seems to be the only purpose. Unless the hardware does not have enough processing power ( which I think was mentioned) this is software not hardware. Neat but a bit niche I think...



    3 - S/PDIF recording capabilities of up to 96KHz. Fair enough.



    4 - Front screen worthy of the year we're in (NOT from 1989). Not enough to drive a new version.



    5 - The addition of a Floorboard model to make it easier for gigging/touring musicians. Nothing to do with Kemper 2, this would be a separate unit. BTW I am gigging and would never want this so add "for some"...



    6- Synth effects!!! Software



    7 - And, for crying out loud, a Windows/Mac editor please!! As you mentioned, nothing to do with Kemper 2.


    I agree that those like me who don;t want one don;t need to buy one but fads and trends irritate the hell out of me. The focus should and is on great sounds and real practicality and this so far has not been beaten as far as I'm concerned ( as I watch my mate scrabble around on the floor with his helix adjusting the volume into his powered monitors, messing with output and routing)...this is what specifically puts me off those units.


    I like the Kemper because its cured my GAS for amps. Don't let's start an upgrade cycle like Axe FFS..


    Anyway, each to his own..

  • I like the Kemper because its cured my GAS for amps. Don't let's start an upgrade cycle like Axe FFS..

    me too...


    no touch screens and no editors needed...i like this multi colored LCD and leds that kemper has, did not see that in any other gears or gadgets, do not think that exists in 1989..


    BTW i work everyday with computers, to be able to use kemper without one, or any other guitar gear, it is a pleasure for me...


    i think there is a limit where digital gears can reach and usually did not perform better than traditional analog or tube gears but maybe in many years people will forget how traditional gear sounded and then kemper will have another scope, but by now it profiles amps...

  • 1 - More internal (software) and external (hardware) routing capabilities. - to do what ?


    Umm...wait...good question..


    Thinking about my only reaction (acting like an orang utan throwing things to the poor guys.. :/:D ) to these kind of "discussion" in the past maybe I should have just asked this question..maybe I will do so in the future.. ^^

  • 1 - More internal (software) and external (hardware) routing capabilities. - to do what ? Sorry I just don;t get this...maybe I'm just a simple guitarist but I have not hit any limitations that I care about. I know the Helix has more routing capabilities but no idea what they are used for..pre and post amp is enough for me so I'm not clear what is missing. from a hardware perspective perhaps more options effects loop wise but as the effects get better, the need drops..


    For when they add a dual profile setup, for example. Then you can have individual signal paths, with pre and post amp effects, for each profile. This would enable you to do Wet/Dry as well.



    If Kemper adds a Synth tone generator then you can have different effects for it than you have for your normal guitar Rig.



    Having a Clean Profile panned hard Left with a Chorus, Comp, Reverb and another slightly overdriven profile panned hard Right with Delay and Reverb.



    Anyway, those are just a few examples of how I would personally use it, but there are more possibilities available with more complex routing.



    As for hardware routing, there are many who still prefer using an analog stomp boxes for their effects. Waiting for Kemper to improve or even add newly released effects takes too long. Better to have the possibility of adding more hardware to the Kemper, so you can place them anywhere you want in the signal chain.


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    2 - Ability to load two separate profiles. Why? I know some guitarists play with 2 amps and behind them but not many at the same time and blend, which seems to be the only purpose. Unless the hardware does not have enough processing power ( which I think was mentioned) this is software not hardware. Neat but a bit niche I think...


    You already answered your own question :)



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    3 - S/PDIF recording capabilities of up to 96KHz. Fair enough.


    Good!



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    4 - Front screen worthy of the year we're in (NOT from 1989). Not enough to drive a new version.


    Of course not. Any of these requests by themselves are not enough reason to make a Kemper 2. But together...I think so.


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    5 - The addition of a Floorboard model to make it easier for gigging/touring musicians. Nothing to do with Kemper 2, this would be a separate unit. BTW I am gigging and would never want this so add "for some"...


    Sure! Not EVERY SINGLE touring musician wants this. I don't know who gave you that idea cause I sure didn't say that. I didn't think I had to clarify this.


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    6- Synth effects!!! Software


    If it can be done right now, then by all means. But I don't think it can without a processor upgrade. I would be happy to be proven wrong by the addition of Synth capabilities to the Kemper though (with Filters, LFOs, at least 2 Oscillators, etc).



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    7 - And, for crying out loud, a Windows/Mac editor please!! As you mentioned, nothing to do with Kemper 2.


    Perhaps. But WHEN the Kemper 2 releases it must have an editor. Not doing so would be like buying a luxury car without an A/C. It's a common feature of current modelers. That was the point behind this one.


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    I agree that those like me who don;t want one don;t need to buy one but fads and trends irritate the hell out of me. The focus should and is on great sounds and real practicality and this so far has not been beaten as far as I'm concerned ( as I watch my mate scrabble around on the floor with his helix adjusting the volume into his powered monitors, messing with output and routing)...this is what specifically puts me off those units.


    I like the Kemper because its cured my GAS for amps. Don't let's start an upgrade cycle like Axe FFS..


    Anyway, each to his own..


    Like you said, to each their own. If you don't need these features, then don't buy it. Simple!



    BTW, I could say the same about the Kemper. It's a PITA to adjust anything in it without an editor if you have it placed in a rack that's not easy to reach. IOW, both devices have their plus and minuses. Same with their form factors ;-).
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  • For the same reason people blend two (or more) IR's. In the Axe I can pan one amp/cab to the right and another to the left and apply effects to each rig independently.

    and this is just it...the Axe is for new sounds and doing things an traditional amp cannot do. The KEMPER is for amp purists that want those tube amp sounds we all love, all profiled in a nice box. The Kemper got it right from day one. The Axe will keep coming out with the latest version adding more and more and getting further away from an amplifier with each version.

  • Some features would be appreciated:


    1) Please let us turn off the cab section on the direct output. I am unsure about the reason for not letting us turn it off. We were told it's because it would take too much processing power. Frustrating.


    2) Dual amp profiles. Anyone who says this is not needed is correct. But have you run two amps panned hard left and right through a PA system? God-like sound from a single guitar, really gives that wall of sound feeling.


    3) A more advanced looper. The looper on the Kemepr is not a performance tool, which kind of makes its inclusion in the Kemper a "huh? Why this" kind of feature. It's so low tech compared to the rest of the Kemper, I don't even use it anymore because, for example, if you're at a gig and your loop is too loud or too soft, you have no way of fixing this on the fly.


    4) Advanced routing capabilities. It would be grand if I could have multiple signal paths within the Kemper. As of now, we only have a parallel path that can only utilise two slots and cannot even be routed through the amp and cab section once you activate it. Taking a leaf out of something like the Helix would be a good idea.


    5) Better and new FX. Some of the Kemper FX are top notch. Some are not. For example, many users say the drives aren't as good as the real thing, and I agree. Kemper Amps has pushed the envelope before, so the expectations are understandably high. How about that ADT effect we were all asking for?


    6) More FX slots. This is not necessary with the current iteration of the Kemper. But if we do get more routing capabilities, I would like to be able to tailor each signal independently.

  • and this is just it...the Axe is for new sounds and doing things an traditional amp cannot do. The KEMPER is for amp purists that want those tube amp sounds we all love, all profiled in a nice box.

    Firstly, there are all sorts of differences between the KPA and tube amps.


    Just to name a few, how many tube amps have:


    • An LCD screen
    • Save / Load Functionality
    • Advanced parameters (eg. Tube Shape, Tube Bias, Clarity, Pure Cabinet, High Shift, Low Shift, Character, Clean Sense, Distortion Sense, etc.)
    • Built-in IR loading

    I'm not sure why you're implying that dual amps is some sort of major deviation from the feature set already implemented in the KPA, but more importantly, do you really think tube amp purists never use two real amps simultaneously?

  • and this is just it...the Axe is for new sounds and doing things an traditional amp cannot do. The KEMPER is for amp purists that want those tube amp sounds we all love, all profiled in a nice box. The Kemper got it right from day one. The Axe will keep coming out with the latest version adding more and more and getting further away from an amplifier with each version.


    This makes no sense when we're talking about a device that does digital emulation of tube amps, as well as stomp box effects. Amp purist will stick with the real thing. That's what a "purist" means.


    I don't get this attitude of not wanting the Kemper to improve. Perhaps for some the Kemper is already perfect. But it isn't for many others, myself included. And that's OK. You know why? Because there's always room for improvement. As technology evolves, things get better. I'm sure the Kemper will too, which is a GOOD thing for everyone! ;)

  • This makes no sense when we're talking about a device that does digital emulation of tube amps, as well as stomp box effects. Amp purist will stick with the real thing. That's what a "purist" means.


    I don't get this attitude of not wanting the Kemper to improve. Perhaps for some the Kemper is already perfect. But it isn't for many others, myself included. And that's OK. You know why? Because there's always room for improvement. As technology evolves, things get better. I'm sure the Kemper will too, which is a GOOD thing for everyone! ;)

    For people that are perfectly happy with the KPA the way it is, no one's twisting their arm to stop using it if and when a new model's released.