Unauthorized Sharing of Commercially Developed Rig Packs

This is no big problem. It's not like in the vst-world where there are thousands of warez and all you need is a computer. Third party commerical profilers are in no way affiliated with Kemper and Kemper are in no way responsible and shouldn't be responsible for what happens to third party rig packs. There are third party presets packs for vst- synths and the dev's for the vst-synths are only concerned about protection for their own products and that's how it should be.

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This has been brought up numerous times, has been discussed and commented on.

1. When profiling was invented it was with the intention that users would create content themselves and freely share it (which is true, and there are many free Rigs on the RE that are every bit as good as commercial profiles).

2. Kemper (and nobody else for that matter) did anticipate the development of a 3rd party market of profiles as is.

3. As per 1. Kemper stated they have no intention to waste precious resources on the protection of the work of one or two handful of commercial profiling vendors who are not affiliated with the company in any way.

4. Still, although unauthorized sharing has happened occasionally, the ethic of Kemper users not to share commercial profiles has been very high historically which shows that Kemper users generally are a class act.

I think profiles should be forbidden to sale.

I have bought many many profiles over the years ( €1000's worth ).

I dont share profiles and don't think it would be fair to do so. I also think its the responsibility of the profilers to try and prevent if they feel that its a problem.

A simple tick box agreeing that you wont share / re-distribute profiles on the vendors site when purchasing should suffice I would imagine.

Another way of doing it might be that something gets written into the profile tags/properties by the vendors so they are 'individualised' and easier to track if re-distributed. Thoughts?

This has been discussed countless of times before.
As a commercial profile-seller (toneboxlegends), let me just give you a fair perspective on this:

We think it's perfectly acceptable to re-sell our profiles if they don't work for you - as long as it is done one time only - or if the purchased profiles from us are included in a Profiler-sale (e.g. from someone switching platforms).
Think of it this way: Why should anyone buy something (unheard and/or unplayed at that!) and then be stuck with his investment, if it does not work for him/her or if they would never use it after being able to try them for themselves.

We think it's only good ethics to let an individual re-sell something he will never use.

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I think profiles should be forbidden to sale.

And I think you should be forbidden to ask for a salary for your job.
And that's all of my troll feeding for the month of June.

Curious as to why this is so important to two first-posters.

I mean, the first response to acquiring a Kemper is typically, "Wow, I can't believe how authentic this thing sounds / plays" - something akin to that mindset, anyway.

Second thought is usually either, "I gotta try everything I can on the Rig Exchange", "I's gonna buy me some Profiles" or to pose a question here (after reading the manual... not!).

Makes no sense.

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Unlike any other computer based system in existence today, there does not seem to be any way to prevent unauthorized (or unlawful) sharing of licensed digital media (rig packs). It seems to me that Kemper should think about creating a facility in the profiler that will protect companies that spend the time and money to develop professional level rig packs. I could care less about somebody creating a "home brew" profile and sharing it, however something should be done to prevent paid for packs from being freely shared by those who do not find anything wrong with this type of sharing. We've been down the path of Napster, etc. Here's place for you to share your thoughts...

I don't think Kemper should ever get involved in any sort of copy protection, individual tagging of profiles etc. .Not only it's a big can of worms to open, but also why would they - it doesn't benefit their business at all?

So, no nothing should be done.

Quote from valvetrain

Unlike any other computer based system in existence today, there does not seem to be any way to prevent unauthorized (or unlawful) sharing of licensed digital media (rig packs).

You start with a faulty premise. Give me some examples of successful ways to "prevent unauthorized (or unlawful) sharing of licensed digital media (rig packs)". There really aren't any. And any that work any period of time are usually the exception that proves the rule. The likelihood of Kemper even being capable of creating such a system that works in conjunction with the network of commercial profilers is not something I'd put money on.

And why would Kemper care? It's good that the pro profilers exist, they do bring attention to the KPA, but why would Kemper care if the profiles were bought or stolen? Makes no real difference to them. The usual response to this is that piracy will force profilers out of business. Some probably, yes. But theft is built into any good business model, full stop. So they'll be ok. The should be thanking their lucky stars that sharing seems to be mostly limited to private means. I know there's some stuff on eBay (not sure why they don't take them down, they've been up for a while), but you can find any VST you want on torrent sites. Profiles? Practically nothing. So things could be a lot worse for the Commercial profilers.

And by the way, anyone who thinks it is wrong to sell used profiles is on a different planet. And don't give me the "you made an agreement" excuse. It is no more acceptable for profilers to insert unreasonable restrictions on the profile license than it is for Apple to do the same in it's TOS. Prohibiting transfer (not sharing) of profiles that you will no longer keep in any manner is absolutely unreasonable. There is nothing less ethical about this than selling a used CD.

I think the problem that people (rightfully so, IMO), have with this type of transaction being publicly allowed, is that not everyone...has the same ethical values. And many would keep the profiles even though they promised not to. So I do get that angle. Just don't frame it as unethical to sell them. It isn't.