Rig Manager 3.0 Editor

    Quote from Nikos

    I don't know but maybe the best explanation for this is that Kemper is not for customers who come from "other modellers"

    A rather ridiculous thing to keep suggesting. Lots of players come to Kemper and even leave Kemper from and for "other modelers", respectively. But to Ibot39 s point, it seems weird to suggest that maybe Kemper isn't for guys from "other modelers" who don't want broken buttons, faulty firmware, and lack of features. All those thing will certainly be rectified, but that's not the point you're making.

    Quote from Nikos

    Kemper has its customer-pool within all these 90% of guitar players..who play tube amps.. folks who give a @#£& about an editor..it is all about sound for them..

    That 90% figure doesn't feel real to me, not even on this forum. And given the deluge this thread has produced, not to mention in the FB group, official Kemper FB page, official Kemper IG clamoring for the editor, I don't know how you can seriously suggest folks don't give a "@#£&" about an editor. What you mean is that you don't give a "@#£&" about an editor, which is fine, but irrelevant to someone who does.

    Quote from Nikos

    Kemper won this war

    What war? The floorboard is certainly a formfactor that players have long been asking for, and good on Kemper for releasing one. But something new will come along and unseat it eventually in terms of units sold. That's just the inevitability. It's like if someone on the Line 6 forum suggest that the Helix "won this war" because it was the #1 sold digital amp emulator for a few years running. Eventually some new shiny toy comes along and guitarists clamor for it. The Stage happens to be that at the moment.

    Look at the sales..no further comment is needed..


    No matter the real teething problems the stage outsells the helixlt which is half the price..they ditch the nonexistent fm3..people out there still are buying the stage like crazy..


    So is it "my impression"..no it is a fact.;)


    All this while all gearblogs are full of threads about the missing editor and "broken foot switches"..well..:/

    Quote from Nikos

    Look at the sales..no further comment is needed..


    No matter the real teething problems the stage outsells the helixlt which is half the price..

    Currently.


    The longer Stage problem persist, the less confidence customers will have and sales will suffer. If it's turned around quick enough, that's not as much of a concern. And let's not forget that the Stage is new, the Helix is not.


    Anyway, I digress as it's OT.

    Hey guys. I woke up this morning and thought: wouldn't it be a great idea to have an editor for my Kempers like for my HX stomp? How comes that nobody ever thought of this idea? We really should place this topic in the new features section, so that the Kemoer engineers can consider this option.

    Better have it and not need it, than need it and not have it! - Michael Angelo Batio

    im confident its going to be before xmas.

    My remote came friday and the 2 button stomp.

    Having great fun with it tbh so its eased my pain.

    I dont need an editor to be fair, but ive been desparate for one since the jan announcement.

    Ive been round the houses gear wise like every one else. Especially rack gear.

    When i 1st got the kemper i thought the amp sounds were amazing, wasnt so struck with the effects and tweak parameters for the effects. Thought about buying a digitech 2120 or 2101 for the fx loop but to be fair the delay and reverb updates have made the thing far better.

    I love the amp tones so much ive gone from using loads of fx to next to nothing since the kemper.

    Alot of the gear fell down on raw amp tones whick the kemper is awesome at.

    But go figure... my favorite tones at the mo are profiles of the 2120 2101 and ada mp1.

    But they sound better than the originals.

    Not much need for an editor but the amount of scrolling is stupid. To the point where i dont use stuff because i cant be bothered to scroll through to find it.

    Just my ten pence worth !

    Quote from cheekyboy999

    Not much need for an editor but the amount of scrolling is stupid. To the point where i dont use stuff because i cant be bothered to scroll through to find it.

    The Editor (once familiarized with) should make everything faster to find, sort, adjust and save to a location of choice. But like anything else, we will all have to use it to become good with it. :)

    If you use FRFR the benefit of a merged profile is that the cabinet is totally separated in the profile.


    For my edification only... :D Kemper/Helix user

    Quote from cheekyboy999

    whats the issue with the cab irs ?

    For the Kemper users who are playing thru a guitar cab, the cabinet section will have little to no use. They are getting a significant portion of their tone from the speakers themselves. I suspect many of the posters who mention they have no use for an editor possibly fall into this category.

    If recording direct from the Kemper, the cab section and other sub menu adjustments are all important. The amplifier sections sound similar for the most part, but the cabs make a huge difference. The gamut from dull and lifeless, to smooth and warm, harsh and fizzy, boomy and muddy, and everywhere in between. To specifically answer:

    *Once you've utilized the cab maker, added all your favorite ir's, and saved some of the great sounding profile cabs, an accumulation of cabs are stored in the Kemper. Scrolling thru the sub menu to select a different cab, turning, turning, turning the knob- you feel like- certainly the knob is going to break off, or your going to pull every muscle in your wrist. Sheer colossal numbers of cabs becomes daunting. If you have the misfortune of importing a cab which is titled with a lower case spelling, forget about it, it will be all the way at the end of the list. Amount of time wasting makes it frustrating. With an editor= seconds.

    * If, now logically you think- why not delete the cab presets that suck, thereby reducing the size of the list, and making scrolling thru faster. Well, try it, you have about a microsecond option to delete a preset. It would take hours and hours to delete all the cab presets I no longer want. Likely accomplished in 20 seconds with an editor......


    For these reasons I no longer utilize the cab presets (even before the editor was announced- when was that? oh yeah at least 10 months ago...), and many other features, just too difficult and time consuming. Feel like I'm using a tiny fraction of the potential of the Kemper.

    Quote from Ibot39

    If only sound would matter people would play their tube amps instead!

    Not always the case. I have 3 tube amps - all too loud for my studio at home. Because (for me) it IS about the sound, my profiles from my amps do make it easier for me at home but because it is about the sound for me and the fact that playing through the Kemper still feels like playing though the amp. Apologies, everyone was talking about the editor, which would be useful when it appears but doesn't stop me from doing what I want to do on the Kemper.

    Quote from octopi

    Not always the case. I have 3 tube amps - all too loud for my studio at home. Because (for me) it IS about the sound, my profiles from my amps do make it easier for me at home but because it is about the sound for me and the fact that playing through the Kemper still feels like playing though the amp. Apologies, everyone was talking about the editor, which would be useful when it appears but doesn't stop me from doing what I want to do on the Kemper.

    Thats what I was saying!! "If ONLY sound would matter people would play their tube amps instead!" In your case sound does matter BUT your tube amps are too loud.


    I repeat myself: "And it is never ONLY about sound - never!" In your case it's tube amps are too loud and you need another solution that comes close. So you need a device that doesn't compromise to much with the sound and gets the volume down. You choose the Kemper for this.


    Because Kemper sounds good AND makes life easier (like you are saying above). You like the FEATURE of the Kemper, that you can profile your amp and play with less volume now. It's just easier too use the profiles than getting or building an iso cab or rent a pro studio.... That's what you would do if ONLY sound matters (not ease, time, money, requirements /circumstances, handicaps, preferences...)


    Same with the editor. For many people it will just make life even easier.