Rig Manager 3.0 Editor

  • Well the Germans brought us the Kemper & the Kemper Stage, but they can't give us an editor? In 2019? Joke I tell you.

    I do not believe CK was convinced when it comes to the “need” for an editor in order to invest required resources in that direction. It is my impression he saw more of a need for this when it comes to floor units. When asked in an earlier interview about a possible editor (someone brought up pod having an editor) he replied by asking if the pod in question was a floor unit. Considering this impression of mine, I’m not too surprised editor is coming out (relatively) near the stage release.


    Perhaps he eventually did change his mind when it comes to all kemper units in general, about editor need, and/or perhaps more resources were eventually available, of course. Who knows.

  • There are way more people in general on Android devices, but I wonder how the usage figures stack up with regards to musicians in general, and current Kemper owners.

    Android's problem is that the user base is scattered over a ridiculous number of versions.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • I do not believe CK was convinced when it comes to the “need” for an editor in order to invest required resources in that direction. It is my impression he saw more of a need for this when it comes to floor units. When asked in an earlier interview about a possible editor (someone brought up pod having an editor) he replied by asking if the pod in question was a floor unit. Considering this impression of mine, I’m not too surprised editor is coming out (relatively) near the stage release.


    Perhaps he eventually did change his mind when it comes to all kemper units in general, about editor need, and/or perhaps more resources were eventually available, of course. Who knows.

    So why did they announce and show it along with the speaker and Kemper Kone thing at last years Winter Namm? There was Zero mention of a floor unit. Unlike a lot of others, from what it seems I do need a good software editor. Moving performances and rigs around with the current rig manager is clunky, time consuming and half the time the moves don't take. A software editor is long overdue. For crying out loud, I had one for outdated my Eleven Rack years ago. I'm not complaining about the Kemper, the sound is second to none. But why announce and show something that is a year away.

  • The Stage obviated the need. Hence, the NAMM showing. Right as they were developing the new unit.


    Not hard to fathom. If the Stage didn’t exist, I doubt the editor would be much more than a wish.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • Shouldn't matter. Just make an app capable of running ver 8 and up. Same as iOS

    ...and how would you connect it? No KPA has Bluetooth or a WiFi chip.


    I think the notion of a mobile app with the current hardware is complete fantasy.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • LOL Do you people seriously believe the editor is coming this year? What a joke. Kemper, a German based company cannot hire enough coders to finish the editor. I'll bet it's still in Alpha stage and not even in Beta. All this rubbish that's been fed to us. 19 November 2019 and still nothing. Nada. Zip. Lets all wait another 5 years for the editor.

    You're accusing the company of being lying cheaters. I don't share your conspiracy theory and think it's rude to suggest that they're just stringing people along.

    Playing guitar helps with irrational stress.

  • Glad I don't have to live with some of you Editor nay sayer crazies, and Im betting you feel the same way. The worlds a big place. Can I get a AMEN. ;)

    If you use FRFR the benefit of a merged profile is that the cabinet is totally separated in the profile.


    For my edification only... :D Kemper/Helix user

  • You're accusing the company of being lying cheaters. I don't share your conspiracy theory and think it's rude to suggest that they're just stringing people along.

    Playing guitar helps with irrational stress.

    When "a couple days" turns into "a couple months" after already having been strung along for almost a year its not really that irrational, is it?

  • ShadowJumper Stringing people along, maybe.


    I disagree with the rest.


    This isn’t aimed at you, but I’m not sure why so many people are quick to imply bad intentions being demonstrated by Kemper.


    They are clearly a bit strained and not able to update us frequently for reasons unknown to the general public, but I doubt they’re aiming to tarnish their pretty long-standing reputation for an “Editor-Gate”.


    I’m new to the platform but have tracked Kemper for some time now. I’m open to anything I’ve missed that may warrant a reassessment of my opinions.

  • When "a couple days" turns into "a couple months" after already having been strung along for almost a year its not really that irrational, is it?

    OTOH, The current buyers don't seem to have an issue with their time frames. It's Hard to hold someones feet to the fire when the heat doesn't really bother them. Case in point, the "Stage" has been outselling everyone making a floor unit and in some cases been 1/2 as much higher in price than the competition. Now why would anyone in that status take the time to come here and lie to us about being almost finished with an Editor they didn't have to make in the first place?

    If you use FRFR the benefit of a merged profile is that the cabinet is totally separated in the profile.


    For my edification only... :D Kemper/Helix user

  • This thread can be so toxic I have to come back for a sniff even I dropped smokes 8 years ago :D


    Never the less, I would advise Kemper to skip NAMM 2020. That would help them showing something in NAMM 2021 which will actually be released before NAMM 2022. ;)

    Seriously, this trend does more wrong to the company than good.

  • Nah, I seriously doubt Kemper is stringing us along. There clearly is an editor in the pipeline.


    What I'm guessing is that working out the bugs in the editor is proving to be more complicated than expected.


    Or perhaps they're timing its release for Christmas or for the next NAMM. Or trying to work out some bugs with the Stage before release.


    At any rate, slamming the company just doesn't make sense, they are obviously working on it.


    For anyone getting really worked up by reading this thread and the lack of developments, I'd suggest taking a break from reading and just playing with your Kemper rather than raising your blood pressure 8o

  • Not that I really even care any more about an Editor, I have learned to love the KPA as is. However I am a professional software developer here in the US and I have never worked on a project with an open ended time line. Stakeholders and Project Managers have this thing about costs and timelines that you can't just blow off. The main purpose of course is to communicate this to the stakeholders and user community in order to manage expectations. I am governed by SDLC and SLA agreements and am held accountable to them as a matter of responsibility. To not have a target is an open invitation to massive cost overruns and other things that jeopardize the success of a project. Maybe Kemper has decided to keep this discussion private for some reason. I don't agree with that approach but there is nothing I can do about it so I wait along with all of you patient folks out there and enjoy the entertainment value of this thread. I am sincerely hoping for the success of this project. Good luck.