Rig Manager 3.0 Editor

  • Try that without electricity now... ;)

    What sucks is doing without a lead singer!

    Why did Brad Delp have to sound so good that it's nearly impossible to find anyone that can sing like him???

    Yes, I know there are a few out there, but I haven't found anyone willing to lay down vocal tracks for me, and certainly no one local to help join a Boston Tribute band.

  • What sucks is doing without a lead singer!

    Ive played out for 35 years off and on, and had only 1 lead singer worth his own salt. Lots of good players, but just one singer that stands out. I wont be using the Editor out now- only within my modest small studio.

    If you use FRFR the benefit of a merged profile is that the cabinet is totally separated in the profile.


    For my edification only... :D Kemper/Helix user

    Edited once, last by spikey ().

  • I've followed but stayed out of this thread for the most part 'cause of its circularity and occasional injection of venom. Kemper doesn't deserve such comments or judgement; most of us know how hard these guys work.


    That said, I'm happy for the team that it (the thread) serves to generate and maintain hype, which inevitably translates into an increase in sales. Attempts to diss Kemper spawn responses, which in turn still lead to more sales, so Kemper can't lose.


    Anyway, carry on. I'm with you guys in spirit and sending good thoughts to y'all and the team whenever I can. <3 :saint:

  • I don't think they are intentionally stringing us along either, but I can understand folks getting that impression. Unveiling the product a year ago... promising it by summer... then by end of Q3... then in a couple days... that last occurring 2 months ago doesn't really bolster their credibility. Add to it the virtual disappearance of the Kone and Kabinet can indeed make one tend to take anything they say with a grain of salt... and as far as your 'just shut up and play your Kemper' comment goes if they played as crappy as me I can understand them wanting to just turn it off every once in a while, blame Kemper and bust their balls a little... :P



    I don't think we should tie the Kabinet/Kone to the editor's release. It's a separate product, though it is bewildering to me how they announced that to the public first and then suddenly unveiled the Stage without any hints to the public.


    The slipped deadlines is also a concern. I mean, what if it turns out that something isn't playing nice and they are unable to rectify it. In which case, this delay could stretch further and further.


    I'm also concerned about how the last few updates haven't really added anything of value to me. Not that I don't mind bugs being found and squashed, but many of these bugs didn't seem to exist before the last few rounds of beta/release OSes.


    Still, despite all that, I retain my faith in Kemper as a long time user. The fact that G String took the trouble to come out and say, "We screwed up, but we are committed to getting this to you as soon as possible" speaks volumes.


    All I think is, as far as this thread goes, there are a lot of diatribes and unhelpful sledging of the company. Hopefully it will serve to remind Kemper Amps why they usually play this stuff close to their chest to avoid a lot of hateful comments. None of which really make any sense, imho, the product was and remains rock solid, even without an editor.

  • ...but many of these bugs didn't seem to exist before the last few rounds of beta/release OSes.

    I read somewhere that the move from .kpr to .krig had to do with incorporating the new preset management system into the OS and subsequently RM, which must have meant a significant rewrite of the FW and RM itself, before taking into account the editor portion of RM. I can't imagine the headaches that must have caused the team, especially as interviews from NAMM suggested that a third-party programmer was brought in to write the editor code =O:wacko:

  • I read somewhere that the move from .kpr to .krig had to do with incorporating the new preset management system into the OS and subsequently RM, which must have meant a significant rewrite of the FW and RM itself, before taking into account the editor portion of RM. I can't imagine the headaches that must have caused the team, especially as interviews from NAMM suggested that a third-party programmer was brought in to write the editor code =O:wacko:


    This^ . In other words If it was easy your ex-wife could make one.



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    The slipped deadlines is also a concern. I mean, what if it turns out that something isn't playing nice and they are unable to rectify it. In which case, this delay could stretch further and further.


    It could. OTOH thats what I don't understand about the delay irks here. G-String and Co. have missed the 1st stated release date sure, and I too wish that had not happened. But the reality of that is would you want an early released non functioning Editor to gripe about as well? I think we will all have a very nice quality made piece of software at some point the way the Kemper Team is approaching this.

    If you use FRFR the benefit of a merged profile is that the cabinet is totally separated in the profile.


    For my edification only... :D Kemper/Helix user

    Edited once, last by spikey ().

  • The secret to getting the editor faster is to buy more Kemper products so that Kemper can hire more programmers. Buying does not include buying a used head, rack, or stage, as Kemper makes no money from used purchases.

    I mean this approach will get to a point where it’s actually cheaper for me to hire a person to adjust the Kemper based on instructions I shout at them.

  • I read somewhere that the move from .kpr to .krig had to do with incorporating the new preset management system into the OS and subsequently RM, which must have meant a significant rewrite of the FW and RM itself, before taking into account the editor portion of RM. I can't imagine the headaches that must have caused the team, especially as interviews from NAMM suggested that a third-party programmer was brought in to write the editor code =O:wacko:


    Yes, and from what I understand, Mr CK keeps the core code of the machine very, very close to himself. The actual code underlying profiling and profile playing is probably known to no one but himself.


    That probably also has a bearing. It must be a bit like flying in the dark, I imagine.


    This^ . In other words If it was easy your ex-wife could make one.



    Actually, Damian made a pretty good editor with Toaster. So it's doable without big resources, even if it probably wasn't easy.


    The communication protocol between the Kemper and the Editor however is over USB, so it isn't as simple as feeding midi PC and CC to the Kemper.


    Also, we don't know what exactly the editor will bring to the table that is actually new and novel. If it's VST capable, I'll be very happy.


    I read somewhere that the move from .kpr to .krig had to do with incorporating the new preset management system into the OS and subsequently RM, which must have meant a significant rewrite of the FW and RM itself, before taking into account the editor portion of RM. I can't imagine the headaches that must have caused the team, especially as interviews from NAMM suggested that a third-party programmer was brought in to write the editor code =O:wacko:


    Yes, I remember seeing the ads from Kemper looking for a software developer. Probably the guy got brought in, then the guy got fired, then another guy got brought in... and fired?


    Just speculating there, I have no idea about the inner workings at Kemper Amps.

  • I read somewhere that the move from .kpr to .krig had to do with incorporating the new preset management system into the OS and subsequently RM, which must have meant a significant rewrite of the FW and RM itself, before taking into account the editor portion of RM. I can't imagine the headaches that must have caused the team, especially as interviews from NAMM suggested that a third-party programmer was brought in to write the editor code =O:wacko:

    Agreed.

    When the KPA was designed, I'd bet money CK and Co. didn't put any effort into the ability for a user to control it with software. It wasn't a conceivable need in their eyes.

    I'm not in IT, but in my experience elsewhere, if the design requirements didn't originally include the possibility? Good grief.

    It's like adding gas lines to a neighborhood built for electricity and fuel oil. You can do it.....but a crap ton of infrastructure has to be modified and/or completely reworked. Nevermind each individual model of home and the variations in each situation.

    Expensive and time consuming. With problems mid-project no one even conceived of when considering absolute worst-case scenarios.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • Im sorry for my comment, i actually bought the powered kemper rack with less than 30 mins YouTube research because i was so impressed and my brother was paying.

    Within a week of buying it they announced the editor at namm and i became obsessed waiting for the release only to be let down.

    Im a bedroom player and have no interest of playing live because im scared shitless of what people think but really enjoy learning all aspects of recording/producing. I got told to use toast me to edit through midi but im running on a imac with a focusrite thats no spdif or midi options, is there a way to edit within toast me through usb?

  • IMHO, there is a vocal minority that are polluting this thread with negativity and ungrateful and immature peevishness. Some are newbies, many are the odd, one-off "drive-byes"(perhaps Fractal trolls?). In no way am I disparaging the Kemper User Forum regulars, who have contributed insightful and impassioned arguments for the editor, and have offered continued support and enthusiasm for its upcoming release.


    However, I have little sympathy for those who admit to buying a $2,000 piece of gear, having done little to zero research into the products features and capabilities...only to feign surprise and frustration when they later find out the KPA did not have an editor. Please. 🙄🙄🙄


    It also seems to me that some may have lost sight of the fact that no PC-based editor for the Kemper was ever touted, promoted, endorsed, or even discussed by Kemper GmbH, for the vast majority of the product's history. Frankly, I am of the opinion that Christoph Kemper had ZERO plans for an editor when he designed and launched the Profiler...and it was only after repeated and prolonged customer requests that the development of a full-blown PC-based editor was given the green light, with development resources mobilized.


    At the end of the day, we are being freely gifted with a major feature upgrade which will expand the utility of the KPA for many users. I just don't understand the griping, whining, ingratitude and general immaturity that has reared its ugly head numerous times during this long thread.

  • Naaaa, I never uploaded it.


    A little background though......

    Of course Tom Scholz of Boston invented the Rockman, and he uses it in the studio and live on tour. In fact, the Sustainor was invented specifically so he could have the tones he used on the Third Stage album live for the Third Stage tour. But Tom being Tom, he doesn't use the exact same thing he was selling.... he tweaked it over the years to get it working the way he needed it to work. The Revision 20 of the Sustainor was the last revision which included those personalized tweaks. There were only about a dozen ever produced... actually, they were manually hand modified at the factory by his lead engineer, Bob Cedro (who now is a star at Dunlop Mfg). A few of them were sold to people who bought a full Rockman stack, which is how I eventually became aware of them. Eventually, I got my hands on the schematics and after several attempts, managed to figure out how to do the modification myself. And being a huge Boston fan, I also managed to get my hands on some of Tom's own EQ settings that he uses in the studio and on tour. I used those settings along with a Rev 20 Sustainor to create the Kemper profile, and then used the power of the Kemper to refine it and imitate the "Auto Clean" circuit.


    Here's a video of me playing it live, featuring the infamous "Hyperspace Pedal" for all the spaceship sounds and thundering pickslides....

    Boston Cover - Star Spangled Banner/Rock and Roll Band