Rig Manager 3.0 Editor

  • I think at this point, it would be easier to let any 3rd party companies develop an editor.


    Competition drives innovation.

    This isn't about an API being used. The editor software has been done for a while. The issues stated have been firmware and stability of communication.

    Nothing a 3rd party could likely ever access.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • @Dimi


    Rock'n'Roll was NEVER about efficiency.

    I can't say it in a better way.It was always about transporting a certain feel of anger and energy which had never ever anything to do with convenience,"efficiency" or being "reasonable"..Rock'n'Roll was ALWAYS about anti-efficiency,in-conveniece,suffering and rageing against any idea of "workflow" in the right sense of this word.This was also expressed for a big(actually huge) part through the gear used.Bigger,heavier and louder..transporting the band gear was a huge part of the glue which kept a band together.It was a huge part of the "common band experience" and a huge part of the "story" of each group.Maybe it is even today.I hope so.Sorry to sound so graphical..I can fully understand when some younger guys laugh about this.


    But for me it is funny and for sure no coincidence that when Rock'n'Roll started to "smell funny" it was also exactly the same time when "UI" and "midi" became more important than pure sound and 4x12 stacks.Anyway..


    As an older guy now producing music I can't wait for the editor.Fact.For the workflow.

  • so they control their software, which helps their bottom line AND saves people from getting hacked. Unlike windows.


    well done Apple. Most of the people I’ve seen who hate on them either want to tinker and can’t, or don’t have certs which can easily be taken. And yeah I’ve got a bunch of IT certs also so I get the work that goes into studying for them, but if you want to play you’ve got to have skin in the game.

    You will not convince me to like Apple just like I made no attempt to make other dislike them. I did not even state my reasons for disliking them until I was asked. I have been in the IT field since 1992 and have many certs and degrees, A+, Net + , CCNA, ITIL, AAS in Networking and Systems, BS in Information technologies which all started with a cert in computer repair in 1992. I am also current the most senior support tech at my company. I have skin in the game, decades of it.

  • There are a few reasons, first off I don't like that you can buy their product and be told what software I can use simply because they have not had the chance to review it.

    I did not even state my for disliking them until I was asked.


    Fair enough. OTOH my story is Im running everything on my 2013 32GB i7 iMac that I want to (and I wont upgrade to Catalina until ALL my software gets a green-light from the makers). That and the fact that just about "any-one" can build their own PC these days. It's gotten real easy now but was not always the case. Yep, Cant say that about an iMac cause yea they are different. Im an Electronics Tech by trade (35 years or so)- Ive built over 10 nice PC's over the years/decades, but now I use my latest just for gaming- Hellova platform for that and good graphics card, nice frame rates too. I also ran a nice & fast home-brew PC for years using Cakewalk Sonar as my main DAW, and used it "only" for music, no games or other junk and very little Internet access (only for updating the Music stuff). I got tired of the Windows OS constantly writing over its own registry issues. Just as today with the Helix firmware updates and Windows 10 over at the Line-6 forums, as many are having issues with the updates and that particular OS. If I lose the gaming PC for an OS issue, its a Painful thing but I can over come this. But with my songs/music I don't want to lose that data. Ive got skin in that same game too. I wont "ever" run a DAW on a Windoze OS again unless its my only choice. Thanks for the answers! and AS Always, YMMV and thats ok. ^^

    If you use FRFR the benefit of a merged profile is that the cabinet is totally separated in the profile.


    For my edification only... :D Kemper/Helix user

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  • Fair enough. OTOH Im running everything on my 2013 32GB i7 iMac that I want to. That and the fact that just about "any-one" can build their own PC these days. Cant say that about an iMac. I ran a nice & fast home-brew PC for years using Cakewalk Sonar as my main DAW, and used it "only" for music, no games or other junk and very little Internet access (only for updating the Music stuff). I got tired of the Windows OS constantly writing over its own registry issues. Painful-I wont "ever" run a DAW on a Windoze OS again unless its my only choice. Thanks for the answers and AS Always, YMMV and thats ok. ^^

    To be honest if Linux had the compatibility of Windows, without an emulator, I would never run Windows again. I work in Linux all day long at my job and like that environment and how granular I can get with it.

  • With the myriad number of tangents, opinions, argu.....*ahem* discussions, few of which are new (an opinion of disdain for Apple is rather unique, which is kind of nice to see.) .....an image came to mind regarding the release of the editor. Mostly due to exasperation at how far down this thread has gone. There is one solution.

    Regardless of the current state of the editor, the firmware or whatever, I'm with Rorschach. Just....






    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • I am epileptic, which without going into details (of which there can be plenty, depending on the case) in part means that using an editor is easier for me, has fewer risks, can be quite a plus when I do need to edit. Which I haven't always cared for as much.


    For the most part, my set ups have been very simple. The only pedal I've consistently used live (along with mostly single channel tube amps) have been noise gates. These have more or less been about eliminating feedback in cases of limited space where it could be really annoying both to me and audience. Kemper on its own has been an effort, on my part, for more convenience in analogy to the tones achievable.


    Now when there's some need for using highly edited tones with effects (when that does happen, more so with cover band stuff) editor becomes much more relevant. It's also more relevant if traveling and there's need to be relatively quick with edits all the while minimizing epilepsy-related risks, which is anyway part of life in general.


    About the point when it comes to convenience: bands before would also try to find the right type of van to transport things well enough, fast enough, while minimizing risks, pla pla (well still many have to). And maybe the way people would get distortion was something where big demand for "more convenience" lead to further developments.


    I do think there's symptoms in plenty of current day societies that are questionable, maybe related to part of what you're describing. But that'd get too "Political" for here.. Well, nearly everything is political in one way or another.. but anyway:)

  • BTW- On the midi thing, I use a Midisport 4x4 to control 3 Strymon pedals to bring up different settings (patches) in each one on seperate Midi channels "per Helix Snapshot". I can set this up in the "Control Window" inside HX-Edit. It works very well and sounds amazing. I'd use it on my Kemper too, but Ive found the FX in the KPA are good enough that I dont really need the Strymon pedals for it (even if the Strymon pedals may sound better on different patches). So midi is still a big deal and thats amazing in itself for an idea that came about around 1980... :)


    I do hope that the Kemper Editor has a "Control Window" thats like this so that I can play with this same thing on the KPA!

    If you use FRFR the benefit of a merged profile is that the cabinet is totally separated in the profile.


    For my edification only... :D Kemper/Helix user

  • Not sure I see the anology...punk was simple and efficient in getting its message across. Same as 70's rock, Les Paul and Marshall stack. Simple, which to me equals efficient? Think I get what you are saying but this came out of necessity. There wasn;t a choice but to lug these things around. Back then if there had been a fly rig that sounded good, I think many would have used it...


    I do agree that its not about looking at it like a scientist and it should be less about the gear and more about the feel....

  • *eyeroll*

    I think I see your point, but suggest the analogy to Rock n Roll is flawed.

    There is nothing more efficient than the likes of Keith Richards - "The right guitar into the right amplifier." Or Malcolm Young using the same, one pickup guitar straight into a Marshall his entire career. Joan Jett and an LP Junior with one pickup. Heck, EVH *was* the model of efficiency, because he had no money. One pickup, castoff parts and desire. Or the foundation of Rock built, for all intents and purposes, entirely on a 12 bar blues and three (or less) chords. I mean....Link Wray's Rumble? It doesn't even have vocals....how much more efficient at expressing one's self can you get? It was a *banned* song!!

    At its core (in my mind) Rock is all about efficiency. Whatever allows you to express what you're after, but as little as possible.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

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  • @Dimi


    Man I am very sad to hear about your problem.Indeed reading stuff like this makes me feel "not worthy" because I really dont know shit about "real problems"..this is about the editor.This is about gear so I will try..


    @V8


    Simple yes..the music..the gear?Lets agree to disagree..I have completely other memories.More like "the bigger the better"..I remember guitar players all doing the double stack thing "because it has the looks" and the much more "efficient" Mesa MK series being for the "snobby doctors and lawyers" who needed an amp "to fit into their porsches":|..add the fx-racks to all this..pure fun..


    I really would like to see "sales charts" from the 80s when some "more practical solutions" were on the market.Man..did I hate to lugging these massive tomtom racks,the dozen overheads and heavy double kicks around..not to mention the nice SVTs(tube) and their 8x10 cabs..this is what I remember from the 80s.

  • I find it interesting that the ToastMe app worked up to version 6 and the version 7 upgrade crippled it. I wonder if the same things slowed down the editor release? The editor shown at NAMM was before the 7 upgrade.:/

    ToastME will still work. It just can’t do preset management.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

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  • You will not convince me to like Apple just like I made no attempt to make other dislike them. I did not even state my reasons for disliking them until I was asked. I have been in the IT field since 1992 and have many certs and degrees, A+, Net + , CCNA, ITIL, AAS in Networking and Systems, BS in Information technologies which all started with a cert in computer repair in 1992. I am also current the most senior support tech at my company. I have skin in the game, decades of it.

    to be fair I wasn’t even trying to make you like them. I don’t have stock in them and couldn’t care less.

    I was anti apple also until I got sick of pulling the battery out of my Android every single day from lockups, switched to iPhones and they just work so I’ve stuck with them.


    Not trying to dis your Field experience either, I was just saying that if someone wanted to work on them you’ve got to get certified. Dell is the same way, I was a software systems engineer at a school district for a bit and got Dell certified on everything we had so I wouldn’t have to pass tickets to the hardware techs when I’m perfectly capable of replacing any hardware in Dell workstations or servers. I got the dispatch cert also so I didn’t have to schedule their field techs, just send me the parts thanks :-)


    somehow I ended up as a sales engineer, which pays about double what I made in support but adds travel. It also allows me to be able to afford nice toys :-)