Rig Manager 3.0 Editor

  • I am sure that if Kemper could do it all over again Kemper would not have announced the editor at Namm 2019. It would have prevented all of these release date posts. Kemper should have just waited until it was done and released it without any notice.

  • I am sure that if Kemper could do it all over again Kemper would not have announced the editor at Namm 2019. It would have prevented all of these release date posts. Kemper should have just waited until it was done and released it without any notice.

    I agree but they did and here we are. If it's not ready yet but there is a working version they should reach out to some of their more long standing users and give them a beta version. A move like that would allow these beta testers to provide a great test for their QA and provide the users in forums like this to have progress updates.

  • I agree but they did and here we are. If it's not ready yet but there is a working version they should reach out to some of their more long standing users and give them a beta version. A move like that would allow these beta testers to provide a great test for their QA and provide the users in forums like this to have progress updates.

    Although unlikely, who says they haven't?

    I'm sure if they did though they would require them to sign something along the lines of an NDA, so we would never hear about it.

  • I agree but they did and here we are. If it's not ready yet but there is a working version they should reach out to some of their more long standing users and give them a beta version. A move like that would allow these beta testers to provide a great test for their QA and provide the users in forums like this to have progress updates.

    When they already know about issues that need fixing.....what’s the point of publishing a piece of software they know to be flawed? Or, more likely a firmware still in need of tweaking?


    Testers are for finding unknown problems.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • Hardware and software companies do it all the time and list those flaws as "known issues".


    I'm a software engineer and have publicly stated that I'm in the "It's done when it's done" camp. That said, I think Kemper really did blow it with this. I certainly don't think it was deliberate, but they do have some egg on their face from announcing it so far in advance of it being actually ready.


    My guess is they had to say something in order to alleviate the concerns of anyone buying the Stage, and then they got sidetracked fixing Stage OS bugs that probably translated into additional changes needed for the editor.

    Fair enough. I think they planned the editor around the Stage release. Then the new OS gave them fits. The Stage was (is) an apparent runaway success......with its own resultant problems.


    End of Summer seemed reasonable.....until it wasn’t.


    I still think something is *wrong* enough to preclude a beta. I mean....RM 2.3.14 is still pretty doggone crash-happy on my Mac.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • the simple truth of software development is, that things can change at any time. The underlying issue, in many cases, is, that the more an application comes to completion, the better you can test it. In this case, the current state is, that all features have been implemented and we keep running into little things we were not able to see before. From what I've experienced over the years, this is very normal in software development.


    I'm totally happy that my last post received such a positive response and I very much appreciate that. I'll try to keep you posted on the progress from this point onwards. I don't think that "a few days" will mean "a month" but when you take into account what I wrote above, you might understand that what I write right now is entirely based on what I know right now.

    This was posted shortly after the "couple of additional days" update. I don't know why people cant wrap their heads around this concept.


    I'm sure the editor won't be perfect when it arrives (no software ever is), but it'll surely be in a better state than it would have been, had it been released in October.

  • Nevertheless, kemper does NEED an editor, because all the competion has one.


    The KPA does not NEED an editor. I have used mine without for over 5 years and so have many other users....BUT ( and given I was one of those asking for one), it would be better with one, for both practical and marketing purposes. No one is denying the demand, it just doesn't stop me playing the thing..


    So can we stop the debate on that as its been had so many times on this thread already.

  • I don't know why people cant wrap their heads around this concept


    Because it's not what they want to see/read. Has nothing to do with anyone not getting it.


    I mean....RM 2.3.14 is still pretty doggone crash-happy on my Mac.

    Im not having any crash issues on my Mac Ive noticed.

    If you use FRFR the benefit of a merged profile is that the cabinet is totally separated in the profile.


    For my edification only... :D Kemper/Helix user

  • So can we stop the debate on that as its been had so many times on this thread already.

    in a word, no. :P :D



    But I understand the point you made- the KPA does "not" need an Editor to operate/function.

    If you use FRFR the benefit of a merged profile is that the cabinet is totally separated in the profile.


    For my edification only... :D Kemper/Helix user

  • I don't think it makes sense to keep arguing with the subject "an editor is or is not necessary". Many people (me included) are only anxious to receive the editor after a long time since it was announced, but luckily they are updating us on the current developing status, so we just have to wait, hoping it won't take much longer. I guess any controversy at this point is superfluous.

  • And just now with the latest iteration is getting close to the Kempers' 7 year old technology....not sure how that is a Pro to you or why you would want that for the Kemper.


    I don't get your logic, unless you're insinuating that the unit could actually be made to sound better but they aren't doing that.

    Hi, do you still use your 2000's Nokia phone and use a garmin GPS or paper maps and dslr camera wherever you go or have you upgraded to one that encompasses all these features ?


    A nokia phone will still work perfectly as a phone as good as any other offerings but i'm sure you have upgraded by now.



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    Do you really want ckemper to release a refreshed version every year with some minor "quality of life improvements" but keeping the core sound to the same high quality, forcing you to buy a new unit and your old unit going down in value? The way Kemper is doing is doing it is the most ethical and best for the consumer. They know they can make more $$ buy charging for incrementally revised units but refuse to do so b/c it is not for the benefit of the consumer and would be a bigger headache for the company when it comes to manufacturing. He said so himself in an interview with Andertons.


    Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything, that's just dumb. I just want to buy a tool that has the features that i need and preferably support the local economy while doing it.


    I dont care for diminishing values of the kemper unit if newer ones get released, i'm not buying it to hand it down as a family heirloom, it's an electronic device, it's just a tool to get the job done, it will break at some point and get its materials recycled.


    If the device "value" depreciates on the second hand market that's good in my book, this means people who can't normally afford to spend so much money for this can afford it now and everyone is for the better, of course not for the people who buy this as a resell investment or snobs.

  • That would be misleading. It’s mostly 6 guys going back and forth about why it’s not needed, and why it is. Mostly content free. Of course it’s just passing time while the editor slowly weeps.

    Maybe it is exactly the opposite?


    Maybe it is just a few guys here claiming the world can't live without editors while it is still a "sold out product" DESPITE the missing editor?


    Otherwise it makes no sense.A Paradoxon.


    Some guys like you are implying that..


    All the guys who are buying the KPA right can't do the following simple things:

    A)Having internet.In 2019.

    B)Don't inform themselves before spending for an very expensive piece of gear.

    C)Don't look into the half dozen blogs for gear in which "several" guys have gone mad in a bizarre way about the missing editor..

    D)Can't read the manual.


    I claim that all these things are very unlikely.The ONLY rational and logical answer to why the KPA(no matter Stage or Head/Rack) is still sold out everywhere and "out of stock" is very simple..I already said it.


    The majority does not care about it.

  • I don't think it makes sense to keep arguing with the subject "an editor is or is not necessary". Many people (me included) are only anxious to receive the editor after a long time since it was announced, but luckily they are updating us on the current developing status, so we just have to wait, hoping it won't take much longer. I guess any controversy at this point is superfluous.

    I don't think it's* ever* made sense to argue the point. Yet, we do. Present company included.

    Just like a roulette wheel at the casino...."Round and round she goes. Where she stops? Nobody knows." Except in this thread the odds are better. You nearly guarantee the argument will reappear in some form on nearly every new page.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • The KPA does not NEED an editor. I have used mine without for over 5 years and so have many other users....BUT ( and given I was one of those asking for one), it would be better with one, for both practical and marketing purposes. No one is denying the demand, it just doesn't stop me playing the thing..


    So can we stop the debate on that as its been had so many times on this thread already.

    I wasn't debating the need for it... and no it doesn't stop me playing the thing, but it definaltey stops me from diving deeply into its possiblities. I just load up effects in logic because its just faster