Rig Manager 3.0 Editor

  • With 13K subscribers on their YouTube channel I'd imagine ToneJunkie podcasts are hardly 'obscure'... and revealing that private betas are already being tested is indeed an update that should've been made by Kemper themselves (assumptions are the root of all fake news) if they actually cared about what their customers think. Either way, its good news and hopefully it won't be restricted to private beta for another year...

    I'm really not trying to be a jerk here. 13k subscribers on Youtube is of no consequence. Sounds like a big number, but it isn't. Not when the first time YT recognizes you is at 100,000 subscribers and definitely not on the second most searched website on the planet. Besides, the question isn't their Youtube channel. It's their podcast. A podcast has a far more limited audience than a YT channel. So small that Apple doesn't even provide contributors subscriber numbers.

    As for an announced private beta...........announce.......private. Think about it.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • To say that something is "obscure" is an evaluative statement. It involves a judgement that is based on some framework where there's a threshold below which A is justifiably "obscure". People will clearly have different ideas about what these standards are, should be, some perhaps making more sense than others. I listen to some sources I'd call "obscure" that are pretty darn amazing. Them being obscure doesn't have to be a ding on them. And I was aware of the tonejunkie podcast, kemper users linking me to it, but haven't spent much time listening (not that it's bad).


    In so far as the beta goes... not so surprising to see that someone (or some) have this.

  • Kemper staff mentioned in this thread that they had a release candidate in preparation for internal testing. That is what the closed beta team will be evaluating. If it seems ready, a public beta will be released. This process is pretty standard for digital hardware products and computer software and will have been followed with all previous KPA OS updates of any significance.

  • Tone junkies being well known or “Obscure” or not is besides the point. Either way It’s info coming out from a third party, not an announcement from kemper and perhaps not an announcement they were pleased the third party shared. In any case the fact that there are some beta testers perhaps tasked with looking for specific issues doesn’t tell us that there aren’t other issues kemper told the beta guys they are still working on. There could have been beta testers back in January who tested the seemingly perfectly functional and demoed Namm version of the editor. However the moment Kemper officially announces beta testers, this inevitably ramps up the “any day now” assumptions and rumors leading to more disappointment if it takes longer. Last quote I saw from the company first hand was perhaps weeks it might be ready, barring unforeseen issues. Apparently a half dozen pages back on this thread there was an indication of possibly even days? So if they’re at one of those two stages, baring potential and unpredictable setbacks, is there really a compelling reason they need to make an official announcement about beta testing?

  • THowever the moment Kemper officially announces beta testers, this inevitably ramps up the “any day now” assumptions and rumors leading to more disappointment if it takes longer

    Do you think this is more or less dangerous than announcing "a couple of days" when the product is months from being ready ?

  • Do you think this is more or less dangerous than announcing "a couple of days" when the product is months from being ready ?

    Dangerous to whom? Kemper?

    I doubt G String said that with any intent at deception or existing knowledge that 2+ months would pass.

    “Without music, life would be a mistake.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

  • Gstring is not able to give a precise release date because the beta is really imminent. It is now clear that they are making the last adjustments, so it makes no sense to continue discussions about discussions on this topic. Let's just wait a little longer.
    I'm also one of those who complain about the delay but now it seems clear that we're almost there.

  • hey guys!


    while celebrating those great discussions with max devotion, let's not forget, that we are talking about our kempers... boxes full of implemented miracles! every time i play my kemper, i instantaneously got a big smile on my face :-) wouldn't have thought, that such an impressive digital "emulation" of the real thing is ever possible... been searching for such a device for about 3 decades and finally i found it. thank you, kemper!


    then i go to bed - much too late because i couldn't stop enjoying the sound & feel playing this wonderful piece of gear... then i wake up in the morning - quite a bit sad - because this must have been an illusion... a dream for sure. but a nice one. for sure it won't sound as real next time. and then again: i play it - cannot believe it - and keep on smiling... i call it my happy vicious kemper circle ;-)


    it's the stage unit. i own it for about 2 months now. took quite awhile for me to understand how to tweak it, but it works. just the way it is. and i didn't buy it because of the editor option.


    but things will even get better! more efficient..


    ..with the editor


    ..coming soon :-) (i hope.. aarghh ;-) i better go on playing..)


    (sorry for my english - i'm german - and no. not from kemper. just a very happy new user. great community by the way!!)

  • I bought the Kemper thinking the editor was close to release back when I saw the Namm video.

    Honestly if I knew if was going to take this long to finish it I would have went a different route. (I like editing from the computer)


    Some say they don't need a editor. w/e floats your boat, I'm one that will use the heck out of it.


    Different strokes

  • Do you think this is more or less dangerous than announcing "a couple of days" when the product is months from being ready ?

    No youre right, it's not less dangerous. But if "maybe days" is the actual case, and they said such, isn't it then a bit extraneous to bother mention such beta testing? If it's days away from a public beta release, you'd expect private beta testing to precede it. My suspicion (knowing nothing about programing) is that the delay has had more to do with getting the firmware straightened out, and perhaps even that kemper cone thing, as they need the editor they roll out to function with the kemper cone thing vs. rolling out the editor, then having to roll out new enhancements for the editor as soon as they release the kemper cone thing when it's ready. The Kemper cone thing would also be tied in with the whole preset/library/ organizational side of things for which the editor would need to accommodate. And for that matter, depending on what their workers specialize in, at the moment fixing the glitchy firmware and issues with the roll out of the Stage as the holiday sales season is upon them needs to take priority; that's how they'll afford to keep the development department churning out new things.

  • Are you sure? The only other real option in this capability category is the Axe III Fx .... and it costs more, doesn't have the same tube amp sound quality (especially with light and medium distortion levels), and is much more difficult to configure to a good tone (this is based on my doing a 6 hour A/B with the 2 units).


    If you really really need to use an editor, get a MIDI cable and download ToastME. It is quite nice..... and you will still have that great Kemper sound quality and ease of use.

  • I bought the Kemper thinking the editor was close to release

    When I bought my first Kemper, I bought it because it does NOT come with an editor.

    Tbh, I don't even want to imagine how much resources it took from other cool stuff that could have been done instead.


    And on a side note ... I very much enjoyed the Kemper community when there wasn't this constant moaning about something that doesn't affect the guitar tone at all. If someone dearly needs an editor, why don't you just go and buy Bias or whatever "editor" floats your boat? If someone bought the Kemper Profiler because of its (upcoming) editor ... s e r i o u s l y?


    And with these words I leave this thread again, play my guitar and profile some of my beautiful amps.

  • i am a professional software engineer. software projects are very challenging due to a huge amount of inherent complexity. even a team of highly experienced pros will encounter unforeseen issues on the way, leading to increased efforts in the team which then might force a re-planning of milestones.


    most of the criticism here regarding project management is not that wrong. professional software projects would ideally consider enough buffer in the contingency planning and try to avoid to communicate unrealistic go live dates. guess this is called "managing expectations" ;-)


    anyway, for me personally:

    sound & feel is highest priority. managing and editing stuff comes next.

  • Really... you simply bought it because it does NOT come with an editor. Did you also buy your guitar because it wasn't a trumpet? What a maroon!!!

  • The expectations are Kemper's fault!

    If your product is so far from being ready, maybe..... don't show it to the public?

    Or if you do, maybe... don't give us a rough estimate? Because this, my friends, is how you build up expectations!


    Not that we're almost 11 months in the waiting for something we've been waiting for for 7 years (?), it feels like if this editor is nothing short of mind blowing, this whole thread community is going to be LIVID!!!!


    just sayin...

  • Being livid and adding a $1.00 will get you a cheap cup of coffee with heartburn later. G-string & Company already has our money for a product that didn't have an Editor in the 1st place. Even if it's not out until winter Namm, it is still icing on an already very juicy and toneful cake.

    If you use FRFR the benefit of a merged profile is that the cabinet is totally separated in the profile.


    For my edification only... :D Kemper/Helix user