Can you use ONLY the power amp section of the Power rack version?

  • Hey gang.


    I just bought a second hand Power rack version of the Kemper and it hasn't arrived yet. I was just wondering if it allows you to plug other preamps into the power amp section ONLY of the Kemper in order to drive a guitar cab, or if you only get the Kemper sounds plus power amp delivered to the speaker outs? This is all just in case I don't have time to make profiles of every single TriAxis, GSP-2101, or ADA MP-1 preamp tone I dig and want to just plug those suckers into the Kemper's clean digital power section and jam out through my Recto cab.


    Thanks,

    Jeff

    Shred 'til yer dead,

    Jeff in Houston

  • Just turn off the stack section. But those preamps are going to sound pretty stale without a tube power amp (real or simulated). You can try feeding those preamps into a clean profile, probably will be a lot of trial and error.

  • Thanks, man. I have a Mesa Boogie 20/20 power amp, but the EL84's are WAY too "classic rock" and flabby vs. something like a VHT 2502 or 2150 or even a Mesa 2:90.


    Regs,

    Jeff

    Shred 'til yer dead,

    Jeff in Houston

  • Hi Jeff


    Never tried it but if I did need to do that here’s what I would do:


    First put direct profile of the valve power amp that you would use in the physical world and load that in the stack section.


    The put the preamp(s) in Stomp D in a loop fx in front of it. That way you can still use up to 3 stomps in front of the physical pre amp and turn everything off and change to a totally dfferent rig is sing only profiles any time you want (even mid song).


    Now the problemwith that; there probably aren’t any power amp nly profiles of the amp you want so you need to roll your own. If you don’t have the physical amp you stuck. You mentioned the 2:ninety as the sort of amp you would want to use. You need to find someone with one that you borrow to profile. However, the 2:ninety is essentially just a pair of 90w mark series simul-class power amp with so extra options. Find a mate with any mark series amp and profile the power amp only by sending the profiler signalin through the FX return.


    As I say, I’ve never felt the need to try i but I am also a curious sort of chap and happen to have a Triaxis and 2:ninety sittng downstairs at the moment :/


    I feel a little experiment coming up this afternoon :)


    Evidence trumps theory. If it works I’ll upload the 2:ninety profile to RE for you to download.

  • WOW!!!! =O


    The theory works in practice! 8)


    I love it when a plan comes together 8o


    I made 8 profiles of my 2:ninety connected to a Mesa 112 Thiele cab with an old '90's EVM12L in it. I used a cheap ART Z Direct passive DI box between amp and cab. I'm sure they would sound even better with a Kemper DI or Countryman but that ART did the job.


    The signal chain went Kemper Direct Out > 2:ninety In set to Instrument level rather than line level as the signal from Kemper should be similar to a guitar hitting the amp.


    All profiles are of the 2:ninety with output at 1 o'clock and presence at 12 o'clock.



    Profiles are as follows:


    1 - Full Power with no mode switches active

    2 - Deep switch on

    3 - Modern switch on

    4 - Deep and Modern switches both on


    profiled as clean amp with no cabinet


    5 - Half power mode on.

    6 - Half power with Deep switch

    7 - Half power with Modern switch

    8 - Half power with Deep and Modern switches


    The KPA actually showed the message saying a distorted amp has been detected even though you selected clean amp for these four so the power tubes were properly being driven :)


    The comparison test was done by sending the Kemper Direct Out to the Input of my Triaxis. Output 1 of the Triaxis was then fed back to the Direct In of the KPA. Output 2 of the Triaxis went straight to the 2:ninety as normal.


    The Trixais was set in a mono loop in Stomp D and the profile loaded in the Stack section with KPA power amp on and driving one of my Mesa EVM cabs. This was compared by A/B switching between KPA and the Triaxis direct into the 2:ninety feeding a matching Mesa EVM cab.


    With the Stack section of the KPA bypassed the Triaxis sounded dull and muddy and pretty lifeless. However, when the profile of the 2:ninety power amp was engaged in the Stack section it was pretty much impossible to tell the KPA from the real thing8)

    I'll up load all 8 profiles to RE in a moment under Wheresthedug and Mesa 2:ninety power amp.


    Have fun guys.

  • Killer! Thanks, Alan. I'm REALLY going to have to study everything you did above to get the details, but I appreciate the experiment and sharing the methodology. I don't actually have a power amp I like on hand (Mesa 20/20 only)... and all my friends that play no longer live in the area, so I'm SOL for now on profiling my own stuff.


    Regards,

    Jeff

    Shred 'til yer dead,

    Jeff in Houston