Hi all,
can someone explain how to create a custom user scale?
I've read the manual and tried to create one, but I'm struggling
with the concept and it sounds weird?
Just t o give and example. I was working on the song
Holiday by Green Day.
Hi all,
can someone explain how to create a custom user scale?
I've read the manual and tried to create one, but I'm struggling
with the concept and it sounds weird?
Just t o give and example. I was working on the song
Holiday by Green Day.
Hello, after a quick listen it is a fairly straightforward major and minor third sequence for the opening riff.
I assume you will play the fundamental.
In this instance, choose User scale 1 + 1 Oct and set the key to Ab/Fm.
Going in to Edit Scale 1, you'll see the associated steps and the intervals which you need to input
Step 1 = 4
Step 6 = 4
Step 8 = 4
Step 10 = 3
Edit all the unused Steps to 0 (to avaoid any false harmony triggering)
Hope this helps .....
seems to me like straightforward F minor harmonized with an octave + third above.
No user scale necessary, simply select Ab/Fm as key and Oct+3rd as interval.
User scales are needed to harmonize scales other than what is most often called major/minor (ionian/aeolian) and all related modes.
As soon as you move to melodic or harmonic minor and their modes, you'll need User Scales. Or for symmetrical scales, or so-calles 'exotic' scales, or 'special' purposes, like harmonizing every note with let's say an A, to create a faux drone sound like a bagpipe for example.
hth
seems to me like straightforward F minor harmonized with an octave + third above
Which gives you the same end result, but I find the pitch tracking is not perfectly stable and finger vibrato, glissando or string bending can easily confuse the fretted notes harmony ...
That's why, for me, a user scale whereby you neutralise the unused notes, works better for me ...
but I find the pitch tracking is not perfectly stable
it is for me.
older strings collect quite a bit of dirt, which can make them sound out of tune or to oscillate weirdly, which gives the pitch tracking a hard time.
Display MoreHello, after a quick listen it is a fairly straightforward major and minor third sequence for the opening riff.
I assume you will play the fundamental.
In this instance, choose User scale 1 + 1 Oct and set the key to Ab/Fm.
Going in to Edit Scale 1, you'll see the associated steps and the intervals which you need to input
Step 1 = 4
Step 6 = 4
Step 8 = 4
Step 10 = 3
Edit all the unused Steps to 0 (to avaoid any false harmony triggering)
Hope this helps .....
Thanks @lento1234567.
definitely not like what I did (hence it doesn't sound right at all!) ...and didn't think of setting the unused steps to zero either. What I still don't quite get is the 'step' thing. Looking at yours you have Step1 then 6 the 8 then 10...that's still confusing.
Display Moreseems to me like straightforward F minor harmonized with an octave + third above.
No user scale necessary, simply select Ab/Fm as key and Oct+3rd as interval.
User scales are needed to harmonize scales other than what is most often called major/minor (ionian/aeolian) and all related modes.
As soon as you move to melodic or harmonic minor and their modes, you'll need User Scales. Or for symmetrical scales, or so-calles 'exotic' scales, or 'special' purposes, like harmonizing every note with let's say an A, to create a faux drone sound like a bagpipe for example.
hth
Thanks @DonPetersen....it wasn't so much this song and yes i have a few song with harmonies that are straight forward and no issues with them at all. I was trying to get my head into the users scales and it was this song I was noodling around. Anyway, I'm not sure about the whole step thing and just want to learn how this works.
@lento1234567 has provided a good example, now i just need to understand how the 'step' thing works.
From page 179 of the Kemper main manual v7 is a diagram showing an example of steps and harmonised voices.
The steps are the chromatic intervals of the chosen scale, whereby Step 0 is the tonic (in this case Ab) Step 1 would be A , Step 2 would be Bb, all the way up to step 11 which is G.
Hope that makes it clearer .....
From page 179 of the Kemper main manual v7 is a diagram showing an example of steps and harmonised voices.
The steps are the chromatic intervals of the chosen scale, whereby Step 0 is the tonic (in this case Ab) Step 1 would be A , Step 2 would be Bb, all the way up to step 11 which is G.
Hope that makes it clearer .....
That's better mate, thanks. I was looking at it today (in the manual) but couldn't figure it out. Now it make more sense. Thanks again, much appreciated.