Near done with Kemper, any suggestions before it goes up for sale?

  • I dunno guys...sounds like cab off to me.


    I have experimented extensively with cab off for certain tones.


    My buddy challenged me to recreate the guitar tone from Cream’s “Strange Brew” right after I got my Kemper. For the life of me I could not get the guitar tone. I finally turned off the cab and that was the secret sauce.


    For most songs it sounds like garbage. Basically like the clip the OP provided. But for that tune it was nearly perfect.


    I’ll upload the file if I can figure out how...it says 1mb limit.

  • That sample sounds weird. But funnny enough it shows how different we are and what we consider being good sound. I’ve read the whole post and don’t want to read it again, but some here mentioned it sounds right in the sample and some, like me, think it sounds weird, wrong etc. So what is correct? Maybe it’s my preference that fools me, since I don’t like this type of sound. I’m a metal guy. But I think something is off here. I cannot recall ever hearing a profile on my Kemper sounding like this with a cab.

  • No, the sample sent by the OP definitely doesn't sound like the sound in the Youtube video by TopJimi- although he didn't say which specific Profile from the Jubilee pack was used.


    One suggestion to Terence : to isolate the problem in the recording chain, could you listen to your output with headphones directly from the Kemper headphone out? If the output sounds the same, we can rule out the S/PDIF connection and the audio interface.


    Next: once you've checked and verified this, can you re-create the setup that gave you that horrible sound (with the Strat going into the Jubilee profile) and (a) record it again (just to be sure) and then (b) switch off the amp and the cabinet block and record again? Then post the results - this would make it pretty easy to see if there's anything wrong with the signal that goes into the Kemper, without the interaction with the amp and cab stage.


    Maybe you could also do the same with one of the free profiles in the Kemper rig packs - would make it easier for others to help you, since then everybody can work from the same profile. E.g. use the "TJ Mars JM100 Max Bst" from TopJimi (if you like the TopJimi vibe) or the Soldano profile by Bert Meulendijk ("BM - Sold 99 Cases Dst 2") for a heavier vibe. If you can provide samples of these profiles with amp/cab active and then with amp/cab bypassed, this could help others reproduce what's going on.


    Also, it would really help to reset the global parameters of your Kemper to be sure nothing nasty is hidden somewhere. Maybe even doing a full factory reset would be helpful to create a clean slate before doing the above.


    Also: what is your input LED doing when you play in this setup? Is it peaking to red or is it barely flickering? Or solid green throughout? To me, the audio clip you posted sounds like the level of the Strat you are playing is too low, so only the hard hits actually get to overdrive the amp, with a lot of semi-clean in between. You could play with the "Distortion Sensitivity" parameter on the input page to boost the level of your input - that might get you somewhere more pleasant...


    If you're serious about finding out what's wrong, the only way is to eliminate possible sources of the problem one by one by isolating them, i.e. taking other variables out of the setup.


    I'm sure we can help you get to something that sounds dimensions better than the sample you posted. But that means going through your setup step by step and checking results and posting clips and maybe screenshots - happy to help if you're open to that.


    Cheers,


    Torsten

  • Terence pal, not sure where you are in the UK? But I'm in west yorkshire and would be happy for you to come and A/B and help you trouble shoot.

    PRS Custom 22's - PRS 594 - Diezel VH4 - Carol Ann OD2 - Colin the Kemper - CLR Neo ii.

  • sample.zip

    Done with a Highway one strat, topjimi Jubilee profile, spdif to RME Fireface.

    No post processing.


    That sounds terrible. If that was the best of what I could get out of mine, I'd be fed up.


    I'm no fan boy but I definitely get good sounds out of mine, with no processing required. I am a set believer (despite a number here stating I'm wrong) in using profiles created with similar pickups/guitar to what I use. And I've been massively disappointed with most commercial packs I purchased too. Not naming names but I was was shocked that anyone would be able to use most of them. I'll now only use free ones on Rig Manager.


    I'd love for you to post a DI track so that we could reamp it and help you find a solution.

  • Terrence....


    Has anyone here yet posted a sample using the same profile? If not, if you would like to send the exact profile you used to someone here, and they promise to not tweak it so as to skew the test, they could then provide a sound sample from their setup, and compare to your sound sample.


    Following the honor system, that profile should then removed from the testers Kemper.


    Thoughts?


    Cheers and good luck!


    Todd in Chicago


    P.S. I ordered the Top Jimi Dano100 pack, and I think it's pretty cool. I could post a sample here....but my poor, limited ability to play would call into question the results! But I could do that and embarrass myself, if that profile would mean anything to you.

  • Why does it have to be complicated playing? Anyone with the same profile agree on a chord or simple riff and upload a sample.

  • Here's a super quick clip I knocked together. Obviously I don't know which exact profile you used for your clip but I found a TJ one that is certainly similar and to be fair I think it sounds like garbage too. I used a Schecter Strat, mini humbucker first then the neck pickup.


    I compared it to a M Britt Jubilee profile after which sounds a million times better.


    https://drive.google.com/open?…CenjyiuAjpmTazHNb7OrRw_Ye

  • Thanks for those who've made suggestions and helpful comments, Kemper on its way back to home base. I'll see what they say.


    Hope you get it resolved. As I mentioned before, a great number of profile packs from well respected sellers have proved to be garbage to my ears; often I wondered how they had been able to make something sound so bad. After stumbling around getting a little closer, trying profile after profile of amps I've loved or considered I would, i found my perfect base sound already in the box (either factory content or Rig Manager I can't recall which). It turns out that a Splawn QuickRod was what I was looking for but just didn't know.

  • Hope you get it resolved. As I mentioned before, a great number of profile packs from well respected sellers have proved to be garbage to my ears; often I wondered how they had been able to make something sound so bad. After stumbling around getting a little closer, trying profile after profile of amps I've loved or considered I would, i found my perfect base sound already in the box (either factory content or Rig Manager I can't recall which). It turns out that a Splawn QuickRod was what I was looking for but just didn't know.

    I've dealt with a lot of dejection based on this premise. Honestly could never gel with MBritt, Top Jimi, Amp Factory, ReampZone, Bert, Mattfig, and many other common names selling profiles. Part of it is the profiles not being dialed in for my pickups and the Kemper feels veryyy sensitive to pickups. There's no crime in that, though I also hear audio samples from lots of people who are in love with these profiles and all it demonstrates is tone is subjective because 90% of the time I wouldn't desire such a sound.


    Basically, for someone getting the Kemper, I wouldn't suggest it unless they also plan on making profiles. This isn't like an Axe-FX or Helix where if you don't like the sound you can tweak it to taste, there are so many times where you have to ditch massive amounts of profiles to find a few gems. For all the people who complain about "tweaking" when it comes to traditional modelers, they spend the same amount of time profile hunting to achieve the same result. I would say that the Kemper method is unique and cool, but also more frustrating. You're not just getting amps, you're getting full signal chains: amp > cab > mic > mic placement > mic preamp > pedals in the chain > cables, and anything else in the chain which affects the tone in some small way. That's a lot of variables to be stuck with if you don't care for the sound, whereas creating your own profiles means you're immediately left with something much closer to a tone you know you like.


    Don't get me wrong, I have a number of commercial profiles still on my KPA, some I use quite often, but many are either profiles I've made or gems I've found after auditioning thousands on rig exchange. Some are also freebies shared in the FB group or here that aren't on RE. Still, I wouldn't advise getting a KPA if that's all you're looking to do because it's a time-suck and vortex of frustration IME. Then again, some people seem to be suspiciously over the moon with each and every profile they try, so I guess we all have different standards.

  • Basically, for someone getting the Kemper, I wouldn't suggest it unless they also plan on making profiles.


    Still, I wouldn't advise getting a KPA if that's all you're looking to do because it's a time-suck and vortex of frustration IME. Then again, some people seem to be suspiciously over the moon with each and every profile they try, so I guess we all have different standards.

    Interesting how everybody is different, and tones are subjective.

    I play in a cover band, and although I don't like every profile I do find many useful ones.

    If it was as much of a PITA as you say, I wouldn't keep it.

    And I ain't goin' back anytime soon. :)

  • I play in a cover band, and although I don't like every profile I do find many useful ones.

    I think that philosophy is a bit different in that cover bands seek to replicate the source material, not so much find your own sound. Never said many profiles weren't useful, though. If people find tonal bliss in the Kemper and commercial profiles, I'm genuinely happy for them and not trying to convince them otherwise.

  • ^^Terence , this is definitely the best advice going forward ^^