Price wise it's too much. My opinion of course
Yours may vary.
It's okay to have differing opinions. I don't really have one except that I like all gear. People tend to knock gear without even trying it. Heck, I'm sure a lot of opinions will change once the product actually ships. Once I get a QC, I'll post my thoughts here. The good, the bad and the ugly. Regarding the price, that's a tough one. I wish everything were cheaper.
What is Binary Thinking? Binary thinking, also known as dichotomous thinking, happens when even complex concepts, ideas, and problems are overly simplified into being one side or another. The rest that you mention is just garbage so I will stop there. You are now blocked
Wow, as if your way of thinking is way beyond others to declare they are telling "garbage". Actually discarding something as garbage without acknowledging any worth of it, is more in line to binary thinking. You are playing yourself.
Well, try to ask CK how the algo is working inside KPA
Or simply try to reverse engineer KPA. 
Most straightforward way to get knowledge about what's inside, is just look there.
Or simply try to reverse engineer KPA.
Most straightforward way to get knowledge about what's inside, is just look there.
Either took 10 years or strong patents for someone to do something along the lines. Its not that easy. I still believe that the system uses a transfer function with the mic as an observer to feed the system and get z transform of the amp, but thats just me, guessing because it is not easy to prove without a way to look into the code.
it is not easy to prove without a way to look into the code.
So look into code then.
So look into code then.
It is encrypted - you'd have to dump flash of already installed firmware. And even this only would give you access to machine code... Too expensive (we'd probably fry a few units before we'd get to the right pins 
), too time consuming.
Display MoreExactly where I'm coming from too. I love my Kemper Rack. Live, it sits behind or beside me, off the floor, safe, mounted away from harm. Cables run from it's rear to FoH, power amp, cab etc. out of the way. In the studio it sits at eye level, I can tweak it easily by hand.
I don't understand the love for stage floor units like the QC. Look at the miles of spaghetti spewing out the back of it. Think about a typical live setup on a small venue stage shared by a couple of bands. 2 x XLR to FoH then two jacks running cables backstage to an amp and into an FRFR or a mixer for in-ears!! Then there's a 12v adapter (wall wart in the US) to contend with.
The QC reviews have been interesting. Paul Davids exposed the current GUI flaws but it's at v1.0 and it'll mature but unlikely to change it's form factor. In the studio (or studio bedroom) it has to be on a low desk with it's myriad of cables running out the back so you can use the touchscreen. Tom Quayle had it upright on a music stand. Other guys used a low footstool... This is not ideal especially in a small room full of other gear.
It sounds good, that's undeniable but after 8 years of general tech progress it's not sounding markedly 'better' than my Michael Britt profiles through the Kemper just different. Certainly nothing you'd hear in a gig environment (remember those..!) and who doesn't EQ/compress etc recorded guitar tones in a mix?
I was initially curious as to what the QC would offer then realised the practicalities. Unknowns are whether Neural aim to do an 'Apple' and give a couple of years worth of firmware updates followed by the 'need' to buy newer hardware (i.e. QC2) to get further improvements? Not saying they will but who knows? Fractal seem to churn out new improved AxeFX hardware units at regular intervals which keeps the upgrade path expensive. Meanwhile I've had 8 years of fun with my 2013 Kemper, the best piece of musical/audio gear I've ever invested in, and it's improved immeasurably from v1.0 and it's all been completely $free. Is it perfect? What is?
What I have enjoyed seeing from the QC release is the addition of a large touchscreen, that has bags of potential. Also, I 'd love to look at (for example) a Compressor pedal/unit in the Kemper and see 'regular controls' like 'Threshold/Attack/Release/Make Up Gain' or choose Opto/1176/VCA styles etc as that's how my brain works etc.
Overall, for me, on form-factor alone a 'Kemper2' unit in a 3U rack with a 7" touchscreen or similar at the centre would be ace.
We're lucky to be around while this stuff is being developed. More competition drives more progress. Long may it last.
Amen brother!
Kemper Rack + Kemper FC. Fast setup, and only 1 cord going out to my position. That and my mic cord and ..... DONE!
It is amazing how fast your stage area around your feet can get congested with cords if you are super careful.
Wow, as if your way of thinking is way beyond others to declare they are telling "garbage". Actually discarding something as garbage without acknowledging any worth of it, is more in line to binary thinking. You are playing yourself.
Glad you understand my irony. there are two types of people that bother me, those who categorize people and those who don't. ? seriously though, there are an estimated 50 million people in the world that play guitar. Not proficiently. Not my stat. If that is true then I would think that one more modeler wouldn't tip the boat. I wonder how many different types of overdrive pedals are there.
Maybe, but the fact that Doug totally danced around any explanation to disprove what we were saying, really doesn't look good lol.
He handled you the way he should have.
You were making thinly veiled accusations about his integrity backed up by zero evidence.
He doesn’t have to “prove you wrong.” That’s not how it works. You made a claim, however thinly veiled. You are the one who must prove the claim. It’s basic Burden of Proof 101.
Modelling wise it's not quite an axe3.
Effect wise it's not quite a Helix.
As a profiler it's not quite a Kemper.
I do not think these 3 points have really been settled, to be honest.
Wow, as if your way of thinking is way beyond others to declare they are telling "garbage". Actually discarding something as garbage without acknowledging any worth of it, is more in line to binary thinking. You are playing yourself.
He's belonging to group D..?
I do not think these 3 points have really been settled, to be honest.
No.
But who has 1700-2500€/$ to do every year a new "shoot out"?
In any case a 1700€ modeler is a tool most guitar players will not buy until they have very clear requirements.
This means newbies,tube die hards,guys who dont have enough time to think and dive deep into any rabbit hole..do not belong to the group of potential customers.It is really easy like that.The market for expensive modelers is small.
This means newbies,tube die hards,guys who dont have enough time to think and dive deep into any rabbit hole..do not belong to the group of potential customers.It is really easy like that.The market for expensive modelers is small.
I’m not sure I agree with that logic. There is a significant segment of guitar players who have money and want to own top end cutting edge products that they don’t really need for the status or because they like playing with video games (analogous to deep diving digital modeller menus).
look at the people who own high performance cars to sit in traffic jams or the drivers of Range Rovers for the school run (Chelsea Tractors). They don’t have specific need but they have disposable income and want others to know it.
Look at the march of mobile phone technology. I can remember when I thought why would anyone need a mobile phone at all. Then the iPhone came out. I thought why would anyone want a phone that plays music when I already have an iPod designed specifically to do that. Now we are the stage where phones have features in them that most of us don’t even know exist. We only use maybe 5% of their capacity but still we are conditioned to upgrade ever year to a new £1200 device because it has XYZ feature. If COVID has one redeeming feature it has mesnt that thousands of people can’t sleep out in the street, wrapped round the block to be first in line for a new iPhone launch ?
Also, there are a lot of people have insecurities about their playing abilities and feel that buying more gear will make them better players.
Some folk enjoy playing with the digital gear more than actually playing guitar (I’m not having a go at them, if it makes them happy that’s all that matters). Ever more complex digital modelling scratches that itch for them.
As a society we are now so conditioned to BUY BUY BUY by advertising, marketing and even media disguised as education or entertainment but is really just glorified advertising. It is very difficult to overcome the urge to buy the latest shiny new toy.
Looking at the QC I think Neural are very well aware of this. The form factor maybe shown as a floor board that is designed for live use. However, the reality seems to be that it is actually perfectly designed to sit on a desk and look sexy. Something I think it does amazingly well!
I think they will sell a lot of units. I also think the market for digital gear will overtake valve amps before much longer. I believe we are very close to the tipping point where growth explodes exponentially.
Display MoreI’m not sure I agree with that logic. There is a significant segment of guitar players who have money and want to own top end cutting edge products that they don’t really need for the status or because they like playing with video games (analogous to deep diving digital modeller menus).
look at the people who own high performance cars to sit in traffic jams or the drivers of Range Rovers for the school run (Chelsea Tractors). They don’t have specific need but they have disposable income and want others to know it.Look at the march of mobile phone technology. I can remember when I thought why would anyone need a mobile phone at all. Then the iPhone came out. I thought why would anyone want a phone that plays music when I already have an iPod designed specifically to do that. Now we are the stage where phones have features in them that most of us don’t even know exist. We only use maybe 5% of their capacity but still we are conditioned to upgrade ever year to a new £1200 device because it has XYZ feature. If COVID has one redeeming feature it has mesnt that thousands of people can’t sleep out in the street, wrapped round the block to be first in line for a new iPhone launch ?
Also, there are a lot of people have insecurities about their playing abilities and feel that buying more gear will make them better players.Some folk enjoy playing with the digital gear more than actually playing guitar (I’m not having a go at them, if it makes them happy that’s all that matters). Ever more complex digital modelling scratches that itch for them.
As a society we are now so conditioned to BUY BUY BUY by advertising, marketing and even media disguised as education or entertainment but is really just glorified advertising. It is very difficult to overcome the urge to buy the latest shiny new toy.
Looking at the QC I think Neural are very well aware of this. The form factor maybe shown as a floor board that is designed for live use. However, the reality seems to be that it is actually perfectly designed to sit on a desk and look sexy. Something I think it does amazingly well!I think they will sell a lot of units. I also think the market for digital gear will overtake valve amps before much longer. I believe we are very close to the tipping point where growth explodes exponentially.
I thought the same about this issue some time ago.But Ihave changed my mind.
I would say that there is a huge market for modelers..but not for expensive ones.Not in the long run.Plug ins will become much better within the next years.And they are cheaper.
What?!
Tell me..
I thought the same about this issue some time ago.But Ihave changed my mind.
I would say that there is a huge market for modelers..but not for expensive ones.Not in the long run.Plug ins will become much better within the next years.And they are cheaper.
I agree that plug-ins will become better and people will buy them as well. However, a plugin doesn’t have the same wow factor and bragging rights as an expensive piece of hardware sitting on your desk. Also to use the plugins we still need an interface. I think the big modelling brands know this and the inclusion of a built in interface helps sell their modellers. It may not be the best solution and may not be a “pro” solution but it sells gear for them. I personally don’t want my interface to be part of my digital guitar amp but plenty do.
I agree that plug-ins will become better and people will buy them as well. However, a plugin doesn’t have the same wow factor and bragging rights as an expensive piece of hardware sitting on your desk. Also to use the plugins we still need an interface. I think the big modelling brands know this and the inclusion of a built in interface helps sell their modellers. It may not be the best solution and may not be a “pro” solution but it sells gear for them. I personally don’t want my interface to be part of my digital guitar amp but plenty do.
I absolutely agree.
But you and me (and most people of our generations) think as folks which grew up in another era.
I have many friends who dream about a kemper.But their kids do music with their laptops.And to them it is everything.And very sexy.
Working musicians will continue to use hardware.Ofcourse.Producers.Everyine who needs "interfaces" and stuff.
But I don't believe that this market is huge to satisfy and support all the competition.I do t know.I just say what I see around me and what I hear from other musicians and all around.
These plug ins have become already amazingly good.
Or simply try to reverse engineer KPA.
Most straightforward way to get knowledge about what's inside, is just look there.
What for?
Everyone knows there is a captured little alien changing the tubes inside.
