Yes, I owned a POD 2.0 and still own an XT.
https://shop.line6.com/software/model-packs/
Also, charging for plugins run inside QC means that there is an authentication mechanism which opens the doors to other future "plugins" that you need to own in the "cloud" to be able to access them on the QC.
https://shop.line6.com/software/model-packs/
Also, charging for plugins run inside QC means that there is an authentication mechanism which opens the doors to other future "plugins" that you need to own in the "cloud" to be able to access them on the QC.
Those are model packs(I own 3 of them), not support updates. There's a difference. For instance, Axe-Fx updates are free; however, Fractal Audio charges for Cab packs.
Think about the awfulness that is Roland Cloud. This stuff can happen and everyone is worse off for it. Always vote with your wallets!
Think about the awfulness that is Roland Cloud. This stuff can happen and everyone is worse off for it. Always vote with your wallets!
Updates for specific Roland products is free.
Those are model packs(I own 3 of them), not support updates. There's a difference. For instance, Axe-Fx updates are free; however, Fractal Audio charges for Cab packs.
Support updates for what? Bug fixes? Ok but what about other effects, models, features etc ...
I was specifically talking about plugins which will cost money. Which could (and will) lead the way towards all kinds of things costing money.
Updates for specific Roland products is free.
Sure for the base thing but to complete the product you have to pay more. You’re always left in the position of them selling you the features that should have been included from the start but were rationed out instead to make more money.
Its a business strategy, you may not like it, may not want to acknowledge it, but it’s there. And for consumers it sucks.
Support updates for what? Bug fixes? Ok but what about other effects, models, features etc ...
Precisely. Adding features via updates wasn't really a thing back then in general. The fact they charged for model packs is really no different than charging for cab packs.
Precisely. Adding features via updates wasn't really a thing back then in general. The fact they charged for model packs is really no different than charging for cab packs.
It is a lot different. You can get cabs (which are just IRs) from all over the place free or commercial. You can't get models though.
Sure for the base thing but to complete the product you have to pay more. You’re always left in the position of them selling you the features that should have been included from the start but were rationed out instead to make more money.
Its a business strategy, you may not like it, may not want to acknowledge it, but it’s there. And for consumers it sucks.
You're talking about Roland Cloud, which is a purely subscription based software service, much like Adobe. That's the difference. If you buy their hardware, such as SYSTEM-8, for instance, the updates are free and include enhancements.
It is a lot different. You can get cabs (which are just IRs) from all over the place free or commercial. You can't get models though.
They're both add-ons, which is why they're called packs. Further, the model packs weren't single models. The metal pack, for instance, consisted of 18 models. Again, these weren't support updates.
They're both add-ons, which is why they're called packs. Further, the model packs weren't single models. The metal pack, for instance, consisted of 18 models. Again, these weren't support updates.
Nobody is talking about support updates! Support updates means only maintenance and bugfixing which only happens when somebody finds a bug or if they need to update the USB firmware to work with a new version of an OS. This translates into 4 updates per year all of them being: Fixed this, fixed that, supports Windows 11, etc.
And no. IRs is totally not the same thing like models. One is an open resource you can find everywhere at every price. The other is a closed resource only they can offer exclusively with 0 alternatives.
Anyway, to each his own.
Nobody is talking about support updates! Support updates means only maintenance and bugfixing which only happens when somebody finds a bug or if they need to update the USB firmware to work with a new version of an OS. This translates into 4 updates per year all of them being: Fixed this, fixed that, supports Windows 11, etc.
If you read the release notes for support update version 2.01 for the PODxt, it states "This free Version 2 update dramatically improves the overall tone of the PODxt, adds more Amp and Cab Models, adds a new EQ block, increases the number of Channel Memories from 64 to 128, and makes numerous other improvements."
If you read the release notes for support update version 2.01 for the PODxt, it states "This free Version 2 update dramatically improves the overall tone of the PODxt, adds more Amp and Cab Models, adds a new EQ block, increases the number of Channel Memories from 64 to 128, and makes numerous other improvements."
Thought you said adding new features was not a thing back then 
Anyway, I even forgot what we were talking about. LOL
Thought you said adding new features was not a thing back then
Anyway, I even forgot what we were talking about. LOL
I never said new features were never added. I just said it wasn't really a thing back then in general. Updates weren't nearly as prolific as they are today.
I think we all here think that updates of any sort should be free. Lets keep it that way.
I think we all here think that updates of any sort should be free.
They are and have been, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
Imagine what it would be like having to pay for the Kemper Drives or the new Reverbs and Delays? We should count our lucky stars.
Ok look for those two last videos those guys can play, phenomenally talented guitarists. But those tones sound like they’re from a POD, sorry they just do. Now maybe that’s actually just a compliment to Line6 for getting it right first time when it came to what a lot of guitarists want but I mean seriously - you get a $1.5k alleged “amp replicating beast” and you focus on making it sound like an early sim from the 90s?!? Where are the people knocking out Hendrix or SRV tones? White Stripes even? Tones that are pure unadulterated mid to low gain amps, and not just country chick’n picking either.
