Kone & Kabinet Q&A

  • The Kone instructions you appear to have used (for a 4X12) are not for stereo - they are for a series/parallel mono cab. See if you can find a schematic for a marshall mono/stereo cab and pay close attention to the impedances that result from their switching.


    Edit: You could wire up each side (ie top right + bottom right also top left and bottom left given you 2 +/- pairs) as in the Kemper 2x12 diagram and then use the outside sockets on the cabinet plate - Ignore the centre socket and switch. If you are hauling a Stereo 4x12 around then who would you need mono?


    Be aware:


    2 Kones in series = 8 Ohms


    2 Kones in parallel = 2 Ohms ... DO NOT DO THIS!


    HTH

  • Thank you. I assume you replied my post that I can't find here right now (looks like it's removed? weird)

    I'll try something else and upload the photo.

    Meanwhile, here are the photos with no cables.



    To clarify: For my understanding when I set the cab to stereo it's already 8ohm for each side (4 per speaker) which is good.


    I want to have it stereo so Top left + Bottom Left is Left and Top right and bottom right is Right (inputs where it will get the signal from he power amp)


    Just not sure how to set the cables.. and if the speakers as I've installed it are Ok.

  • You could wire up each side (ie top right + bottom right also top left and bottom left given you 2 +/- pairs) as in the Kemper 2x12 diagram and then use the outside sockets on the cabinet plate - Ignore the centre socket and switch. If you are hauling a Stereo 4x12 around then who would you need mono?

    Does it make more sense?



    So each side is 2 +/-.

    If it's wired like that (and cables are out from each side + and - )
    it doesn't matter if the switch is on Mono or Stereo? It won't ruin anything?

  • No! On the right, that's parallel - 2 Ohms (doomsday!)


    1) Bring the red feeder in to the +'ve on one of the RH spkrs (Top)

    2) Use 1 wire (any colour) from -'ve on RH spkr top) to +'ve ofRH (lower) spkr

    3) Connect -'ve of RH (lower) spkr to black feeder


    That's one side of your stereo.


    Copy it for the other side


    I'm not familiar with the switch set up so you'll need help elsewhere with that. There is a reason for the warning on the jack plate.

  • Sorry if I missed this in the 1K+ replies, but I just switched to a Powerhead/Kab setup from a toaster/Mesa poweramp/Kab setup and have a question about using imprints saved to local profiles/performances.


    I previously set up all my performances to lock in speaker imprints locally. I'm running the Powerhead with Kemper Kone and Monitor Cab Off highlighted/on, and with the Cabinet button on, as I did before. But I noticed that when I change the speaker imprint on the master output page while on a performance/rig with an imprint saved locally, I can hear the imprint changing.


    Am I doing something wrong?

  • Thank you!

    I've moved this discussion to a new thread, thinking it could help someone clueless like me with the same goal in the future.

    Please see if that's what you meant now: Set-up 4 Kones in a 4x12 Marshall 1960AV (Stereo)

  • I have a non-powered KPA and I'm aware that Kone Imprints are controlled from the Kemper DSP only. I was wondering if i can use them externally for my tube amp. Will this work or anyone might think of a better idea ?

    I was hopping that Kemper can sell A DSP box that does the imprints for external gears :)


    Method 1:
    Guitar > KPA > KPA ( Amplifier & EQ are off ) > Monitor Out > Tube AMP input > Speaker out > 4x12 Kone


    Method 2:

    Guitar > Tube AMP > tube amp FX Send > Kemper input > KPA ( Amplifier & EQ are off) > Monitor Out > Tube AMP FX Return > Speaker out > 4x12 Kone

    Edited once, last by mars8000 ().

  • It probably wont sound great. The imprints are designed to impart their own eq curve on the signal to be played back by a flat amp. A tube amp imparts ALOT of colouration into the tone due to the way it reacts with the speakers. Try it by all means but I wouldnt be hopeful of a good result.

  • mars8000 - I don't think you want to use the tube amp as a tube amp as that defeats the purpose of the Kemper, which emulates a tube amp. What I do is take the outputs from the Kemper (master out or monitor out depending on the speaker used) and put it into the return input of the amp (you don't need to use the send)-- that way you are bypassing the pre-amp, which is likely adding a lot of tube amp warmness (that you don't need). Hope this works for you. (your power section of your tube will also be tubes so it may just be too warm).

  • Dear,


    I created this request but no one seems to be interrested. Any reason why ? >


    "Cause those imprints work so good, why not create cab IR's from those imprints, so we can use these

    IR's in our rigs or performances over the main outputs ?

    SO : I recommend creating explicit Kemper Cab IR's from the Kone Imprints..

    It would be perfect having your 'main out' sound in the PA system, 'better' matching the Kemper cabinet with Kone/Imprints sound.."


    Cheers,

    Tjenne


  • The Kemper models are based on real speakers. You can find IRs already of most of these speakers.


    If you want specifically IRs created from the imprints, you can shoot them yourself.


    As far as having the sound of the imprints through a PA, it's a great idea, and worth a shot.

  • Thanks guys! But let me put this on a clear picture. I don't want to use kemper for it's preamp but just steal the imprints that i can use with my full tube amp (preamp + power amp ). I have a JCM 800 and 4x12 kone cabinet and i just want to use the imprints from KPA somehow, of course it will be coloration from my JCM 800 and that's intended since i'm not using KPA preamp or rigs. and all i want to use the Imprints technology to get the Imprints :) Does it make sense ?


    Guitar > JCM800 AMP > X ? > 4x12 Kone Cabinet

    Edited once, last by mars8000 ().

  • Does it make sense ?

    Not to me but whatever rocks your boat is fine. We are all different and have different tastes and preferences. However, i really can’t see a big enough market for that to be worth the company’s time making it. Mind you I’ve been wrong about lots of things before so you never know ?

  • To me, i think it's a big market for this particular case. I've not seen any company that has a 16 cabs imprints technology yet and not to confuse with IR's solutions out there . Fractal , Helix and tube guys will be happy to find that they can play 16 different cabs into one cab.

  • The only way I can see that being possible now is this...


    Guitar > JCM800 AMP > Reactive load/Line out > Kemper (with the amp block turned off) > Clean Poweramp (or powered Kemper) > 4x12 Kone Cabinet.


    I sort of get why you would ask, having a Kone in a cab makes the cab a one trick pony. Especially if you have other gear you would like to use with the cab.

  • To me, i think it's a big market for this particular case. I've not seen any company that has a 16 cabs imprints technology yet and not to confuse with IR's solutions out there . Fractal , Helix and tube guys will be happy to find that they can play 16 different cabs into one cab.


    You already have something like that out there in the Line 6 Power Cab.

  • To me, i think it's a big market for this particular case. I've not seen any company that has a 16 cabs imprints technology yet and not to confuse with IR's solutions out there . Fractal , Helix and tube guys will be happy to find that they can play 16 different cabs into one cab.

    I understand what you want but i think it’s complicated (don’t even know how the chain has to be to work) and really expensive. I assume many tube players won’t « waste » 2000€ just to have a Kemper Profiler (only for kemper imprints) plus the Kabinet/Kone.:rolleyes:

    The goal of those manufacturers is not to purpose a cab for « traditional » players.

    They want to offer a new solution to move towards the « amp in the room » feeling. The message from modelers compagnies is : dear customers, you’ve trusted in us, you have followed us for many years and we’ve improved our modellers during all that time, today, we offer you another step to approach the real thing and to keep the unit versatility.

    The main goal is to sell their modellers first too. A cabinet 400€ (+fee for the speaker manufacturer), a Stage/Head ; 1600/1700€.....

    In Kemper case, the problem is that they have a cabinet on one side, you have to amplify and the imprint speaker integrated in the profiler itself. All the chain is splitted in three different units (or two with a powerhead/rack).

    That choice is coherent and pretty convincing for the trademark when devices work all together.

    The best/simplest way to obtain what you want would be to have a device that has the amplify unit (for modelers), the speaker « imprint » inside and the FRFR speaker to reproduce the simulated sound.

    As said above, Line 6 has already commercialised that solution with the Powercab family. I don’t know if it works well with traditional amps, i think some owners having already a head have tested this but don’t know the result..... It has 12 speaker simulation and would probably be updated with more in the near futur.

    At the end, it doesn’t seem to have attracted a lot of tube owners....:rolleyes: