classic metal tones done with EQ matching

  • Hi everyone,


    i just posted some signature metal profiles on the rig exchange. These were profiled with the help of the very powerful eq matching function of izotope ozone.


    Here´s a comparison clip with the originals first and the profiles second:
    http://soundcloud.com/tylerhb/kpa-profiles-with-ozone-tone



    The amazing aspect of this is, that for every tone i created, i used the same amp and mike settings. Only the ozone match eq is changed. As long as gain structure nearly fits, you can get decent results.


    The technique of eq matching is basically the same that is used by the new tone matching function of the Axe-FX. By using a DAW with a plugin like ozone you can do the same for your KPA. It´s easy, fun and very powerful. It also has some educational aspect, as many users who are no mixing engineers or producers are not sure how to eq their guitar tones to produce a sound that will work nicely in a mix. The truth is that many guitar tones that sound great in a mix are not very pleasing if you play them solo. So getting into signature tones might give you an idea how to come close to a sound that will fit nicely into a song.


    What is done here is very simple. Select an original guitar recording you like, where only the guitar is heard. You can use intro parts, or stems from guitar hero/rockband or other multitrack collections. Load that clip in your DAW. Then use your amp profiling setup and record the same clip as you good as as you can. Then match your recording against the original and apply the resulting eq curve to your own recording. Your recording should now be almost perfectly close to the original. With the EQ setting that´s enabled on your own recording you now can take profiles. That will give you a profile that´s pretty close.


    The following video will demontrate how to use ozone:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?f…er_embedded&v=zl684tupzpk


    The only difference will be that you do not create an IR at the end but take a profile.


    The resulting profiles will need a little bit of tweaking to make them even closer. The results will be close enough to give you an idea of how the sound will be when recorded. However, if you record the same part again with the profile, the results might not reach a 100% match. What is really cool is that you can now simply use the tone matching on your recording again, and the results be a total match.


    A great feature of ozone is that you can load and save to captured EQ curves so you could use my tonmatch sets in your own DAW to test out for yourself.


    Here are tonematch sets i´ve done so far:
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/590264…ne_snapshots_20120519.zip



    These are matched tones done so far:
    Metallica - Seek and destroy (Kill Em All)
    Metallica - Creeping death (Ride the Lightning)
    Metallica - Battery (Master of Muppets)
    Metallica - Sad but true (Black album)
    Metallica - Of Wolf and Man (Black album)
    Slayer - Angel of death (Reign in Blood)
    Megadeth - Holy wars (Rust in Peace)
    Machine Head - None but my Own (Burn my Eyes)
    Life of Agony - This Time (River runs red)
    Anthrax - Indians (Among the living)
    Stone Temple Pilots - Sex type thing
    John Petrucci - Jaws of life
    Pantera - Walk
    Angra - Speed
    Devin Townsend - Storm
    Extreme - Pornograffiti

  • This is excellent stuff, thanks, Tills.


    However I have one wish, I wish you'd do this with some tones besides Metal..because I don't play no metal. :D
    This would be amazing if it could be used to capture some classic/hard rock or bluesy tones...or some of the tones on the GregV Youtube amp demos.

  • This is excellent stuff, thanks, Tills.


    However I have one wish, I wish you'd do this with some tones besides Metal..because I don't play no metal. :D
    This would be amazing if it could be used to capture some classic/hard rock or bluesy tones...or some of the tones on the GregV Youtube amp demos.

    Basically this would be possible if you just send me a short reference guitar only clip and your own dry DI recorded version of the same clip. At least worth a dry. But makes only sense with at least crunch tones. Clean tones will vary too much on the used pickups.

  • Basically it is just the same as if you were profiling normally. The only difference is that you have the DAW with the ozone plugin between your amp mic and the KPA return.


    Instead of connecting the mic to the KPA return you put the mic into an input of your audio interface. Inside your DAW you have an audio track with the matched eq curve active. You then just need to activate the real time monitoring for that track to hear your profiling signal with the eq match plugin enabled. Then just take the profile as normal. Don´t worry about the additional latency of your Audio interface, the KPA will compensate for that.


    YOu can also use this method to capture your amp in combination with some nice IRs like redwirez, if you use an IR loader insteaad of ozone. Endless possibilities here...


  • Yeah super cool for doing this.....but now you are going to open the flood gates for requests lol. I'll put mine in right now....anything off Fear Factory "Demanufacture" would be awesome... :D;)


    Seriously though thanks a bunch....I'm a big fan of the tones off Machine Head "Burn My Eyes" cd...

  • Sounds absolutely fantastic, thanks for posting these!
    Someday I'll have to look into Ozone, what a great way to learn (as you mentioned)
    :thumbsup:

  • Thx, for the nice words, guys. I used ozone version 5. It is a little bit different than in the videos by Clark Kent. With the save/load functions it is very comfortable to import and export the eq snapshots.


    I am open for your requests, not only metal. I only did these because i am familiar with those tones.


    Any contributions are welcome. Like i said, all i need is a short passage with the original guitar only sound as wav or mp3. Plus the same passage as DI (KPA direct output). If you provide me with these i can give it a try.

  • This is the best thing ever!


    Thank you so much mister tylerhb!. I am a metal fan and these are some GREAT tones to play with.


    Could you possibly do Scott Ians JCM800 tone from Among the Living? That would make my day! :thumbsup:


    as for request tones...


    Scott Ian - Among the Living (Marshall JCM 800 + TC Electronic Booster/Line Driver)
    Stone Temple Pilots - Core (Demeter Preamp + VoxAC30 + VHT power amps)
    Napalm Death - Fear, Emptiness, Despair (Triple Recto + Metal Zone)


    In particular STP's Core tone is to DIE for, if you can get anywhere close I would be totally amazed!


  • In particular STP's Core tone is to DIE for, if you can get anywhere close I would be totally amazed!


    +1 After David Gilmour's tone, STP's Core tone is one I have been chasing for a long time. The closest I ever got was someone made me a custom module for the Randall MTS platform that was awesome. Would love to have this crisp on the top but full on the bottom tone. That's why I would love to see amp blending in the KPA.

  • +1 After David Gilmour's tone, STP's Core tone is one I have been chasing for a long time. The closest I ever got was someone made me a custom module for the Randall MTS platform that was awesome. Would love to have this crisp on the top but full on the bottom tone. That's why I would love to see amp blending in the KPA.

    +1000!

  • Ok, i can try the follwing:


    Anthrax:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EKSTib54_c


    STP:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-QTv9aiUJY


    For the other requests and non Metal Stuff that i will have a hard time to imitate with my playing it would be cool it you would provide a usable guitar part and your own DI Version of that part.


    You can find great guitar only tracks in many places:


    http://soundcloud.com/gtrtracker/tracks?page=1
    http://www.mediafire.com/?wfrfarezh28l2
    http://forum.fractalaudio.com/…-ii/axe-fx-ii-tone-match/


    Especially the guitar tracks from guitar hero/rock band are great because in most cases these are the original stem master tracks...

  • Wow, thank you SO much for finding that STP tone... I WANT it bad.. I had no idea it was that.. thick.


    The Anthrax tone is great too, a bit thin but I can work with that easily. DO IT!!
    :thumbup: :thumbsup: 8o

    Here you go:
    http://soundcloud.com/tylerhb/kpa-profiles-with-ozone-tone-2


    Profiles are on the exchange.


    The Anthrax tone on indians was a little better. That STP tone is really nice, i never got into this band but it sounds very cool...